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[DrCyprus]

Whose history book do you suggest that I read?

http://www.archive.org/stream/excerptac ... 1/mode/2up

There’s no mention of a “hellenistic period” in Excerpta Cypria… in fact there’s not even a mention of such a thing in the Bible’s 1,500 year span of historical writings!

It looks like you're stuck...

But since you're an expert who has studied so many books (EC included)... why don't you tell us in your own words what it is!

I didn't claim there would be one. I just gave you a good starting book for your re-education on Cypriot history.

cheers

But the danger of following your footsteps (or lack thereof) is an embarrassing inability to describe simple things like… “hellenistic period”!

You are the one who should be embarrassed, for not only are you ignorant but also ill-mannered and obstinate.

Here's a very basic wikipedia article you could have found yourself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellenistic_period

vaya capullo

[Get Real!]

You are the one who should be embarrassed, for not only are you ignorant but also ill-mannered and obstinate.

Here's a very basic wikipedia article you could have found yourself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellenistic_period

vaya capullo

How am I supposed to find that when I’m buried deep in the Hellenopedia!

Btw, if there’s any part of that Wiki article you don’t like or isn’t Hellenic enough, let me know and we’ll edit it!

[kurupetos]

You are the one who should be embarrassed, for not only are you ignorant but also ill-mannered and obstinate.

Here's a very basic wikipedia article you could have found yourself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellenistic_period

vaya capullo

How am I supposed to find that when I’m buried deep in the Hellenopedia!

Btw, if there’s any part of that Wiki article you don’t like or isn’t Hellenic enough, let me know and we’ll edit it!

The c*ck of Hellenism is deep inside you.

[supporttheunderdog]

@oceanside50
1) British policy in the mid part of the 19th century was support for the Ottoman empire as a Bulwark against expansionist Russia. who had been invading Ottoman held regions as well as expanding east towards India. This was the primary factor in much of British middle-eastern policy. Her primary interests in Cyprus were to provide a base to secure he sea routs in the eastern Med, particularly after the 1875 purchase of Shares in the Suez Canal by Britain under Disraeli (funded by a loan from the Rothschilds)
Cyprus was a reward for Britain Helping the Ottomans in a phase of this dispute in 1878, when Britain was granted a lease on the Island by the Ottomans as part of a secret treaty for military assistance, with an obligation to leave Cyprus if certain territories taken by Russia were returned to the Porte. .As such the Island remained Ottoman territory but was administered by Britain under a lease, by virtue of which the ritish paid the Ottomans. at Baku

2) Oil had been found in the Caspian at Baku but was not found elsewhere in the Middle east until 1901 - postdating the British interest by 23 years. Petroleum only began to gather significance in the early part of the 20th century as demand rose to power internal combustion engines: it was this that began to influence foreign policy in the period from the beginning of the 20th Century and in particular in the post WW1 settlements.with the carve-up of the Middle east. .

On the topic of the Greek Orthodox Church, GR is wrong - it is the label Greek that must cause him confusion as the Church in what is now the modern state of Greece (founded in the 1820's) long predates the foundation of the modern Greek State and its bounderies do not correspond to those of the moern Greek state.

On the role of Alexander he was an imperialist invader as evil or as good as any before or since, including the Ottomans, the French, the Belgians, the Romans, the Huns, Vandals and Goths, Mongols, Arabs, Germans, Russians, Danes, Dutch, Spanish, Portugese.....

Have I forgotten any one.....?

ah of course the British...

[GreekIslandGirl]

Strange you should compare ONE man to all those empires. One man that so many admire and wish was their own. The level of your ignorance is as boundless as his accomplishments.

Professor Robin Lane Fox to help clarify the legendary man-god:

[Sotos]

On the role of Alexander he was an imperialist invader as evil or as good as any before or since, including the Ottomans, the French, the Belgians, the Romans, the Huns, Vandals and Goths, Mongols, Arabs, Germans, Russians, Danes, Dutch, Spanish, Portugese...

That might be the case for Alexander's conquests of foreign lands. But when it comes to Cyprus and Greeks in general Alexander was like Bismarck of Germany who unified the German states like Alexander did for Greek lands.

[Oceanside50]

1) British policy in the mid part of the 19th century was support for the Ottoman empire as a Bulwark against expansionist Russia. who had been invading Ottoman held regions as well as expanding east towards India. This was the primary factor in much of British middle-eastern policy. Her primary interests in Cyprus were to provide a base to secure he sea routs in the eastern Med, particularly after the 1875 purchase of Shares in the Suez Canal by Britain under Disraeli (funded by a loan from the Rothschilds)
Cyprus was a reward for Britain Helping the Ottomans in a phase of this dispute in 1878, when Britain was granted a lease on the Island by the Ottomans as part of a secret treaty for military assistance, with an obligation to leave Cyprus if certain territories taken by Russia were returned to the Porte. .As such the Island remained Ottoman territory but was administered by Britain under a lease, by virtue of which the ritish paid the Ottomans. at Baku

2) Oil had been found in the Caspian at Baku but was not found elsewhere in the Middle east until 1901 - postdating the British interest by 23 years. Petroleum only began to gather significance in the early part of the 20th century as demand rose to power internal combustion engines: it was this that began to influence foreign policy in the period from the beginning of the 20th Century and in particular in the post WW1 settlements.with the carve-up of the Middle east. .

The combustion engine was invented in 1860 in France, earlier versions dating all the way back to 1808 were also being created. In 1875 France began to colonize Algeria. Cyprus was taken over from the Ottomans by the Brits. As early as 1901 all the natural resources of the Ottomans were being bought up by French and British corporations. The Ottomans were being pushed back away from the oil rich middle east. Would you say that the Brits and French were just lucky in finding a way to push the Ottomans away from the oil or just had the foresight to do so, knowing that the combustion engine would revolutionize the world. History might also tell us that hydrocarbons were discovered off the shores of Cyprus in 2008, but in reality all the way back in 1973 people were saying that in the Aegean and in the east Mediterranean there was oil. Petroleum seeps out of the ground especially in those parts of the world, i would speculate that oil was known to be there Iraq,Iran Saudi Arabia etc all parts of the Ottoman world that later became part of the British Empire. Modern day Turkey has no significant oil reserves of its own, was it just by sheer luck that the British Empire drew the map in such a way that Turkey would be left out, I dont think so.

[supporttheunderdog]

You are over-emphasing the importance of oil in 1878 :

The principals of internal combustion engines were developed over many years and two Italians beat the french by several years to produce a working 5hp engine, driven by lighting gas.

However the earliest petrol engine built as we know today was British and dates from 1884.

And as for why boundaries were redrawn there was a general land grab in Africa that ran on until the 1930's and - no it was not sheer luck as to how the bounderies were withdrawn and I made the point that from about 1900 oil began to play a part in all of this but that was some 23 years after Cyprus was leased to Britain and the lines only got redrawn after WW1 in 198/22 when t[he Ottoman Empire Collapsed, ie.. some 40 years later.

The acquisition of Cyprus was in that respect a part of the British empire building process (achieved by diplomacy) but not connected with oil, not in 1878.