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[supporttheunderdog]

Erm, how do you decide something is "dangerous"?

the Catholic Church had these people

[Get Real!]

The God-head of the Catholic faith has stepped down. Not since they split from the Greek Orthodox following have the Catholics done anything so decisive ... and weird.

Is it not time for Christianity to come under one leadership?

That of the Pure original Greek Orthodoxy.

Only problem is there’s no such thing as “Greek Orthodoxy” and the Greeks didn’t even bother to establish a church (since they did not exist) until the early 1800s!

The Church of Cyprus however, goes back some 2000 years...

[supporttheunderdog]

God has not resigned....God's alleged vicar on earth as the claimed successor to Saint Peter as the holder of the keys to heaven has decided to retire.

Despite the claimed reasons for any claimed pre-eminance of either Rome or Constantinople , the real reasons were in reality largely political as these were the centres of the political world at significant points in the Church History.

In that respect the Orthodox church consists of a number of Autencepholous Churches (of which the Greek Church is but one and the Church of Rome was another,) which form the community of Orthodox churches but where the bishops of each church are equal.

It is indeed incorrect to describe the orthodox community as the Greek Orthodox Church and if any geographic appellation is applied it should be the Eastern Orthodox Church, to encompass those (and often) non-Greek speaking churches outside of Greece.

The Bishop of Rome was a patriach of the Church until the 1054 Schism.Indeed the Bishop of Rome was in the times before the schism the first amongst equals (and but for the schism would be so still) but that did not make him head of the church - more the chief organiser of the meetings of bishops where each had one equal vote.

It is therefore presumptiuos to claim that (if the doctrinal differences can be resolved) the Church of Rome should place its self in subordination to any other of the autoencepholous churches.

[GreekIslandGirl]

The God-head of the Catholic faith has stepped down. Not since they split from the Greek Orthodox following have the Catholics done anything so decisive ... and weird.

Is it not time for Christianity to come under one leadership?

That of the Pure original Greek Orthodoxy.

Only problem is there’s no such thing as “Greek Orthodoxy” and the Greeks didn’t even bother to establish a church (since they did not exist) until the early 1800s!

The Church of Cyprus however, goes back some 2000 years...

In which language was the New Testament, forming the new religion of Christianity, written?

(The Church was not about 'national' borders.)

[Get Real!]

The God-head of the Catholic faith has stepped down. Not since they split from the Greek Orthodox following have the Catholics done anything so decisive ... and weird.

Is it not time for Christianity to come under one leadership?

That of the Pure original Greek Orthodoxy.

Only problem is there’s no such thing as “Greek Orthodoxy” and the Greeks didn’t even bother to establish a church (since they did not exist) until the early 1800s!

The Church of Cyprus however, goes back some 2000 years...

In which language was the New Testament, forming the new religion of Christianity, written?

(The Church was not about 'national' borders.)

In a language that is today labeled as “Ancient Greek”!

The fine art of manufacturing contemporary labels with which to wrap a contemporary entity with one from the past for personal gain is well known…

ie: “The Byzantine Empire”

No such empire ever existed but by relabelling the Eastern Roman Empire into “The Byzantium” certain people from certain institutions had much to gain…

Doesn’t it strike you that the Church of Greece is only a couple of hundred years old yet the Church of Cyprus is millenniums old?

How do you explain that?

[supporttheunderdog]

the Phrase Byzantine empire apparently was not used until 1557....over 100 years after the fall of Constaninople....

The Church in what is now Greece does however have a continuos existence independant of the existance of the modern Greek state from the time of the foundation of the first Churches said to be by the apostles and Saul of Tarsus by the process of Apostolistic Succession through the laying of hands, as though some holiness was pased on.

The organised church is however in my view mostly a man-made self perpetuating structure that does not like original and dangerous thought - defined as Heresy - including that most dangerous thought of all, that man does not need priests and churches.

[GreekIslandGirl]

The God-head of the Catholic faith has stepped down. Not since they split from the Greek Orthodox following have the Catholics done anything so decisive ... and weird.

Is it not time for Christianity to come under one leadership?

That of the Pure original Greek Orthodoxy.

Only problem is there’s no such thing as “Greek Orthodoxy” and the Greeks didn’t even bother to establish a church (since they did not exist) until the early 1800s!

The Church of Cyprus however, goes back some 2000 years...

In which language was the New Testament, forming the new religion of Christianity, written?

(The Church was not about 'national' borders.)

In a language that is today labeled as “Ancient Greek”!

The fine art of manufacturing contemporary labels with which to wrap a contemporary entity with one from the past for personal gain is well known…

ie: “The Byzantine Empire”

No such empire ever existed but by relabelling the Eastern Roman Empire into “The Byzantium” certain people from certain institutions had much to gain…

Doesn’t it strike you that the Church of Greece is only a couple of hundred years old yet the Church of Cyprus is millenniums old?

How do you explain that?

[Conscious of being perceived as 'trolling'; so will keep this short then disappear for a while -till October - and leave a few things unanswered for manner's sake... ]

GR! you know very well your argument makes no sense at all if you said all that stuff in Greek. There have been no manufactured labels except those given by the recent Imperialists. As far as Ancient Greek, Koine Greek, Byzantine Greek, modern Greek go - there has been a natural flow with no periods of sudden "silence" whilst Greeks waited to have their Churches or their language named or renamed by the British.

[Sotos]

In a language that is today labeled as “Ancient Greek”!

The fine art of manufacturing contemporary labels with which to wrap a contemporary entity with one from the past for personal gain is well known…

How would you know? You can't even write modern Greek properly Greek is Greek... every language gradually changes. Just look at how different modern English is from Old English ... and that is nowhere as old as Ancient Greek!

[supporttheunderdog]

The God-head of the Catholic faith has stepped down. Not since they split from the Greek Orthodox following have the Catholics done anything so decisive ... and weird.

Is it not time for Christianity to come under one leadership?

That of the Pure original Greek Orthodoxy.

Only problem is there’s no such thing as “Greek Orthodoxy” and the Greeks didn’t even bother to establish a church (since they did not exist) until the early 1800s!

The Church of Cyprus however, goes back some 2000 years...

In which language was the New Testament, forming the new religion of Christianity, written?

(The Church was not about 'national' borders.)

In a language that is today labeled as “Ancient Greek”!

The fine art of manufacturing contemporary labels with which to wrap a contemporary entity with one from the past for personal gain is well known…

ie: “The Byzantine Empire”

No such empire ever existed but by relabelling the Eastern Roman Empire into “The Byzantium” certain people from certain institutions had much to gain…

Doesn’t it strike you that the Church of Greece is only a couple of hundred years old yet the Church of Cyprus is millenniums old?

How do you explain that?

[Conscious of being perceived as 'trolling'; so will keep this short then disappear for a while -till October - and leave a few things unanswered for manner's sake... ]

GR! you know very well your argument makes no sense at all if you said all that stuff in Greek. There have been no manufactured labels except those given by the recent Imperialists. As far as Ancient Greek, Koine Greek, Byzantine Greek, modern Greek go - there has been a natural flow with no periods of sudden "silence" whilst Greeks waited to have their Churches or their language named or renamed by the British.

have the British done that? (i have never subscribed to the views of GR that the Modern Greeks of the Hellenic Republic are Ottoman remnants or slavic Gypsies of any sort as the majority of the populace are probably long settled - from ancient times - particulary in the South but probably less so in the northern border regions ) - it was however a German who in 1557 applied the name Byzantine Empire to what the inhabitants evidendly called the Imperium Romanum or later Βασιλεία Ῥωμαίων.

[Get Real!]

Oracle, you draw your conclusions based on contemporary labels… as in:

“What was the language used to write the New Testament?”

…that’s how powerful and effective modern labels can be in custom-designing history!

But the signs from historical facts cannot and should not be overlooked.

Signs such as…

1. There was never a Greek ethnos until the early 1800s.

2. There was never a Greek Church until the early 1800s when the ethnos was established! Makes perfect sense doesn’t it?

3. We know that Cyprus was an island kingdom for millenniums which traded with the great pharaohs of Egypt. We read this much in ancient hieroglyphics.

4. The Church of Cyprus was established a couple of millenniums ago by the Cypriot apostle Varnavas... what a "coincidence" again!

Given the above crucial socio-economic factors it becomes VERY CLEAR that Cyprus was a well established independent entity for millenniums whilst “Greece” is a very new entity that could not have borne the first!

So the notion that Cypriots are of “Greek background” and the like, is utter rubbish as one cannot possibly be a descendant of someone in the future!