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[DrCyprus]

eogapoo eogapoo eogapoooooo
e shesen banodooooooooooooo

bilogristin

[Lordo]

eogapoo eogapoo eogapoooooo
e shesen banodooooooooooooo

bilogristin

e shesen dje yemposen din vragandu o yeros.

[Pyrpolizer]

You really are sinking deeper and deeper into the idiotic mire, get a grip man if I wanted to live in the south and had to give alliengence to martians as a formality it would not stop me. Your arguments are weak and pointless now do everyone a favor close the case like you are so fond of doing put on a pointy with the letter D clearly marked on the front and go sit in a corner.

You are still thinking in AP partitionist terms. In a true Federation the laws of the Fed government supersede all state laws, and no citizen of the Federation needs to give allegiance to the states to get a public job.

[Viewpoint]

You really are sinking deeper and deeper into the idiotic mire, get a grip man if I wanted to live in the south and had to give alliengence to martians as a formality it would not stop me. Your arguments are weak and pointless now do everyone a favor close the case like you are so fond of doing put on a pointy with the letter D clearly marked on the front and go sit in a corner.

You are still thinking in AP partitionist terms. In a true Federation the laws of the Fed government supersede all state laws, and no citizen of the Federation needs to give allegiance to the states to get a public job.

So we wont be governing ourselves we will be forced by the federal level which will be dominated and manipulated by the GCs to the detriment of the TCs.

But seeing this formality is so important to you lets do away with it and move onto more important issues, like the balance of power in the upper house which can support or erase such allegiance criteria.

[Pyrpolizer]

You really are sinking deeper and deeper into the idiotic mire, get a grip man if I wanted to live in the south and had to give alliengence to martians as a formality it would not stop me. Your arguments are weak and pointless now do everyone a favor close the case like you are so fond of doing put on a pointy with the letter D clearly marked on the front and go sit in a corner.

You are still thinking in AP partitionist terms. In a true Federation the laws of the Fed government supersede all state laws, and no citizen of the Federation needs to give allegiance to the states to get a public job.

So we wont be governing ourselves we will be forced by the federal level which will be dominated and manipulated by the GCs to the detriment of the TCs.

But seeing this formality is so important to you lets do away with it and move onto more important issues, like the balance of power in the upper house which can support or erase such allegiance criteria.

Gosh Kikapu was right in thanking you thanking you.You did prove you wanted the Anan Plan because it was a partitionist plan

Of course you will not be governing yourselves the way you would do in 2 separate states. That's why the AP was a partitionist plan, and that's why you got stuck to it, thinking you will be governing yourselves THAT WAY even force the GCs give allegiance to Ataturk for fk sake.
In a true Federation a)the states NOT YOU get 50-50 on the upper state and proportional to the lower state. b)The states run their everyday business according to the laws of the Federal state without any discrimination on ethnicity, language, sex, origin etc. c)Only non important issues are left to the states to do as they wish, but even on those the Fed State can interfere if there is too much of a difference from one state to the other.
You may say that the Fed will be bi-communal meaning that the majority in each state will be GCs/TCs, but still this does not mean that YOU are the STATE. It only means that you will be the majority and hence you have obligations and duty towards the minority.

[Viewpoint]

So the law of alligience can be imposed at the federal level? but cannot be erased if placed in the constitution, right?

Lets get things straight, what appears to you as a partition plan was supported by the UN EU and many other international players, only this type of plan will be made available in the future as the TCs will not agree to anything less a few changes maybe be allowed to supoort your fears that it will not be implimented but on the whole it will remain pretty much the same, so on this permis you will never agree to a solution until you have the one which you want whereby it can be manipulated and distorted handing you the island on plate with us TCs reduced to minority status waiting for crumbs at the table of the GCs.

[Lordo]

So the law of alligience can be imposed at the federal level? but cannot be erased if placed in the constitution, right?

Lets get things straight, what appears to you as a partition plan was supported by the UN EU and many other international players, only this type of plan will be made available in the future as the TCs will not agree to anything less a few changes maybe be allowed to supoort your fears that it will not be implimented but on the whole it will remain pretty much the same, so on this permis you will never agree to a solution until you have the one which you want whereby it can be manipulated and distorted handing you the island on plate with us TCs reduced to minority status waiting for crumbs at the table of the GCs.

vp if you want partition of cyprus the annan plan was no partition. if it was dengtash was going to be first person to support it followed by the tmt. the problem with the so called gc liberals which in reality are worse than elam boys and what i call the sun readers of the world is that they have no idea. they make it up as they go along.

[repulsewarrior]

So the law of alligience can be imposed at the federal level? but cannot be erased if placed in the constitution, right?

Lets get things straight, what appears to you as a partition plan was supported by the UN EU and many other international players, only this type of plan will be made available in the future as the TCs will not agree to anything less a few changes maybe be allowed to supoort your fears that it will not be implimented but on the whole it will remain pretty much the same, so on this permis you will never agree to a solution until you have the one which you want whereby it can be manipulated and distorted handing you the island on plate with us TCs reduced to minority status waiting for crumbs at the table of the GCs.

vp if you want partition of cyprus the annan plan was no partition. if it was dengtash was going to be first person to support it followed by the tmt. the problem with the so called gc liberals which in reality are worse than elam boys and what i call the sun readers of the world is that they have no idea. they make it up as they go along.

...i disagree Lordo, Denktash opened the gates, it made him a Cypriot, the Annan Plan, and his tears, i take it to be the same. perhaps the Annan Plan did not guarantee seperation, but annexation.

[repulsewarrior]

So the law of alligience can be imposed at the federal level? but cannot be erased if placed in the constitution, right?

Lets get things straight, what appears to you as a partition plan was supported by the UN EU and many other international players, only this type of plan will be made available in the future as the TCs will not agree to anything less a few changes maybe be allowed to supoort your fears that it will not be implimented but on the whole it will remain pretty much the same, so on this permis you will never agree to a solution until you have the one which you want whereby it can be manipulated and distorted handing you the island on plate with us TCs reduced to minority status waiting for crumbs at the table of the GCs.

vp if you want partition of cyprus the annan plan was no partition. if it was dengtash was going to be first person to support it followed by the tmt. the problem with the so called gc liberals which in reality are worse than elam boys and what i call the sun readers of the world is that they have no idea. they make it up as they go along.

...i disagree Lordo, Denktash opened the gates, it made him a Cypriot, the Annan Plan, and his tears, i take it to be the same. perhaps the Annan Plan did not guarantee seperation, as you allude to, but annexation.