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[Kikapu]

So thank you for proving my point that the GCs did not negotiate in goodfaith because they had no real intention of uniting the island, their real aim was to enter the blackmailed EU, so how do you expect us to trust such people. Further to this experience now even more checks and balances are necessary to ensure GCs do not renege any future attempts at a solution. Dont you have to pass English profiency tests in the USA to get a green card or pledge alligence to the Queen in the UK to become a citizen, why are you so shocked at alligence to Atatürks modern ideology, its only a formality.

No need to thank me, because that's not what I said. Again you did not understand what was written, or if you did, you just ignored it. Go back and read again what I wrote. But in your attempt to play innocent, you let the cat out of the bag in what you wrote that the AP was in fact a disguised partition. Not necessarily two separate states in the beginning, but much like what Nikitas always stated, that the AP would have made the TCs masters of the north and partners in the south, since the AP as said by Kifeas would have meant the GCs gifting the north to the TCs. From there on, policies were in place for the north to do what ever they wanted and in time declare independence very easily, but in the meantime taking 50% of the Gas & Oil as partners in the south.

OK, let's get back to your above statement which must have come from your subconscious mind, because it is very telling what the AP was all about. You said this.

Dont you have to pass English profiency tests in the USA to get a green card or pledge allegiance to the Queen in the UK to become a citizen, why are you so shocked at alligence to Atatürks modern ideology, its only a formality.

It may be a formality to give allegiance in other countries when an immigrant becomes a citizen of that said country. In the USA, one gives an allegiance to the USA constitution and not to an individual like George Washington. But what does Ataturk has to do anything with Cyprus and the north state anyway? Ataturk has ZERO connection to Cypriots and Cyprus and you expected the GCs to give an allegiance to Ataturk as if they were going to be living in a foreign country in the north that is in fact "Turkish". It would be like those wanting to become Americans, giving their allegiance to the Queen of England for fcuk sake. If Greek is also an official language in Cyprus, why would they need to learn Turkish to get a job in the north. You see how you saw the AP, an partitioned independent north where a foreign dead leader was to be revered as their leader, specially to the GCs wanting to live in their own country in the north state and for them to give their allegiance to him. Thank you, thank you, thank you, for really telling us what the AP was all about with your own words. You said more with this revelation than Perry Anderson did in his "The Division of Cyprus" article. WOW, talk about honesty, so once again VP, thank you, thank you, thank you.

In answer to your question, no the AP and recognized partition are two totally different things, one would have give me a recognized country all to myself, whereas the AP would have meant sharing the same country, idenity and government with the GCs. When you realize that the GCs are not genuine in the desire to share the island on a equal footing then you become like me a Partionist thinking that the best path is that each officially goes their own way.

Actually, the answer is that there was no difference in your partitionist and the AP's values. They are one and the same, which would have been for the TCs to become "Masters in the north and Partners in the south", with the north run as a separate foreign Turkish country and all those living in the north, including the Greek Cypriots, who had to give their allegiance to Ataturk.

CASE CLOSED!

Another clutching at straws post, the AP will be the GCs nightmare for many years to come as long as the UN are involved they will never scrap it for a fresh start, the basis of any future BBF negotiations will be a renamed AP, so get over yourself and to grips with reality, the TCs will never accept anything less in fact they will now demand even further tighter checks and balances to say YES, eg circumsizion etc etc etc.

Dont the Australians give alligence to the Queen of England? as a formality to gain citizenship.

You are an idiot of the highest calibre. Trying to debate with you is like debating with a donkey.

I most probably insulted all the donkeys in the world by comparing them with you.

You have been caught with your disguised partition plan in the AP, so thank you, thank you, thank you.

The Queen is the head of the Commonwealth and Australia is one of the countries in the commonwealth. What's that got to do with Ataturk and Cyprus????

Despite that Australia is in the commonwealth and the QEII is the head of state of these Commonwealth countries, I do not believe the new citizens in Australia pledge their allegiance to the Queen of England.

Australian Citizenship pledge

It is important for all Australian citizens to understand our responsibilities and what it means to be a citizen, whether we are Australian by birth or by choice. It is a critical part of building our nation.
Most people are required to make the Australian Citizenship Pledge at a citizenship ceremony. In doing so you are making a public commitment to Australia and accepting the responsibilities and privileges of citizenship. Learning the meaning behind the Pledge will give you a greater understanding of what it means to be an Australian and the responsibilities and privileges of citizenship.
You can choose between two versions of the Pledge, one that mentions God and one that does not.

Pledge 1
From this time forward, under God,
I pledge my loyalty to Australia and its people,
whose democratic beliefs I share,
whose rights and liberties I respect, and
whose laws I will uphold and obey.

Pledge 2
From this time forward
I pledge my loyalty to Australia and its people,
whose democratic beliefs I share,
whose rights and liberties I respect, and
whose laws I will uphold and obey.

http://www.citizenship.gov.au/ceremonies/pledge/

[Lordo]

I am glad you mentioned australia. this is the same australia that had in its human right clauses the item that an imigrant had to speak a another language to be able to enter australia but not specify which one. so the racist scum border control could turn away anybody they like on account that they could not speak another language specified by them. you remeber that little racist caluse int heir true human right activites.

you were are and will always be ..............

[Viewpoint]

So thank you for proving my point that the GCs did not negotiate in goodfaith because they had no real intention of uniting the island, their real aim was to enter the blackmailed EU, so how do you expect us to trust such people. Further to this experience now even more checks and balances are necessary to ensure GCs do not renege any future attempts at a solution. Dont you have to pass English profiency tests in the USA to get a green card or pledge alligence to the Queen in the UK to become a citizen, why are you so shocked at alligence to Atatürks modern ideology, its only a formality.

No need to thank me, because that's not what I said. Again you did not understand what was written, or if you did, you just ignored it. Go back and read again what I wrote. But in your attempt to play innocent, you let the cat out of the bag in what you wrote that the AP was in fact a disguised partition. Not necessarily two separate states in the beginning, but much like what Nikitas always stated, that the AP would have made the TCs masters of the north and partners in the south, since the AP as said by Kifeas would have meant the GCs gifting the north to the TCs. From there on, policies were in place for the north to do what ever they wanted and in time declare independence very easily, but in the meantime taking 50% of the Gas & Oil as partners in the south.

OK, let's get back to your above statement which must have come from your subconscious mind, because it is very telling what the AP was all about. You said this.

Dont you have to pass English profiency tests in the USA to get a green card or pledge allegiance to the Queen in the UK to become a citizen, why are you so shocked at alligence to Atatürks modern ideology, its only a formality.

It may be a formality to give allegiance in other countries when an immigrant becomes a citizen of that said country. In the USA, one gives an allegiance to the USA constitution and not to an individual like George Washington. But what does Ataturk has to do anything with Cyprus and the north state anyway? Ataturk has ZERO connection to Cypriots and Cyprus and you expected the GCs to give an allegiance to Ataturk as if they were going to be living in a foreign country in the north that is in fact "Turkish". It would be like those wanting to become Americans, giving their allegiance to the Queen of England for fcuk sake. If Greek is also an official language in Cyprus, why would they need to learn Turkish to get a job in the north. You see how you saw the AP, an partitioned independent north where a foreign dead leader was to be revered as their leader, specially to the GCs wanting to live in their own country in the north state and for them to give their allegiance to him. Thank you, thank you, thank you, for really telling us what the AP was all about with your own words. You said more with this revelation than Perry Anderson did in his "The Division of Cyprus" article. WOW, talk about honesty, so once again VP, thank you, thank you, thank you.

In answer to your question, no the AP and recognized partition are two totally different things, one would have give me a recognized country all to myself, whereas the AP would have meant sharing the same country, idenity and government with the GCs. When you realize that the GCs are not genuine in the desire to share the island on a equal footing then you become like me a Partionist thinking that the best path is that each officially goes their own way.

Actually, the answer is that there was no difference in your partitionist and the AP's values. They are one and the same, which would have been for the TCs to become "Masters in the north and Partners in the south", with the north run as a separate foreign Turkish country and all those living in the north, including the Greek Cypriots, who had to give their allegiance to Ataturk.

CASE CLOSED!

Another clutching at straws post, the AP will be the GCs nightmare for many years to come as long as the UN are involved they will never scrap it for a fresh start, the basis of any future BBF negotiations will be a renamed AP, so get over yourself and to grips with reality, the TCs will never accept anything less in fact they will now demand even further tighter checks and balances to say YES, eg circumsizion etc etc etc.

Dont the Australians give alligence to the Queen of England? as a formality to gain citizenship.

You are an idiot of the highest calibre. Trying to debate with you is like debating with a donkey.

I most probably insulted all the donkeys in the world by comparing them with you.

You have been caught with your disguised partition plan in the AP, so thank you, thank you, thank you.

The Queen is the head of the Commonwealth and Australia is one of the countries in the commonwealth. What's that got to do with Ataturk and Cyprus????

Despite that Australia is in the commonwealth and the QEII is the head of state of these Commonwealth countries, I do not believe the new citizens in Australia pledge their allegiance to the Queen of England.

Australian Citizenship pledge

It is important for all Australian citizens to understand our responsibilities and what it means to be a citizen, whether we are Australian by birth or by choice. It is a critical part of building our nation.
Most people are required to make the Australian Citizenship Pledge at a citizenship ceremony. In doing so you are making a public commitment to Australia and accepting the responsibilities and privileges of citizenship. Learning the meaning behind the Pledge will give you a greater understanding of what it means to be an Australian and the responsibilities and privileges of citizenship.
You can choose between two versions of the Pledge, one that mentions God and one that does not.

Pledge 1
From this time forward, under God,
I pledge my loyalty to Australia and its people,
whose democratic beliefs I share,
whose rights and liberties I respect, and
whose laws I will uphold and obey.

Pledge 2
From this time forward
I pledge my loyalty to Australia and its people,
whose democratic beliefs I share,
whose rights and liberties I respect, and
whose laws I will uphold and obey.

http://www.citizenship.gov.au/ceremonies/pledge/

Another shitty pointless post of yours Kikapooo , people in order to gain citizenship or even a driving licence have to adhere to procedures, if you dont like it or oppose it dont both to apply, now you can also close this case.

[Kikapu]

So thank you for proving my point that the GCs did not negotiate in goodfaith because they had no real intention of uniting the island, their real aim was to enter the blackmailed EU, so how do you expect us to trust such people. Further to this experience now even more checks and balances are necessary to ensure GCs do not renege any future attempts at a solution. Dont you have to pass English profiency tests in the USA to get a green card or pledge alligence to the Queen in the UK to become a citizen, why are you so shocked at alligence to Atatürks modern ideology, its only a formality.

No need to thank me, because that's not what I said. Again you did not understand what was written, or if you did, you just ignored it. Go back and read again what I wrote. But in your attempt to play innocent, you let the cat out of the bag in what you wrote that the AP was in fact a disguised partition. Not necessarily two separate states in the beginning, but much like what Nikitas always stated, that the AP would have made the TCs masters of the north and partners in the south, since the AP as said by Kifeas would have meant the GCs gifting the north to the TCs. From there on, policies were in place for the north to do what ever they wanted and in time declare independence very easily, but in the meantime taking 50% of the Gas & Oil as partners in the south.

OK, let's get back to your above statement which must have come from your subconscious mind, because it is very telling what the AP was all about. You said this.

Dont you have to pass English profiency tests in the USA to get a green card or pledge allegiance to the Queen in the UK to become a citizen, why are you so shocked at alligence to Atatürks modern ideology, its only a formality.

It may be a formality to give allegiance in other countries when an immigrant becomes a citizen of that said country. In the USA, one gives an allegiance to the USA constitution and not to an individual like George Washington. But what does Ataturk has to do anything with Cyprus and the north state anyway? Ataturk has ZERO connection to Cypriots and Cyprus and you expected the GCs to give an allegiance to Ataturk as if they were going to be living in a foreign country in the north that is in fact "Turkish". It would be like those wanting to become Americans, giving their allegiance to the Queen of England for fcuk sake. If Greek is also an official language in Cyprus, why would they need to learn Turkish to get a job in the north. You see how you saw the AP, an partitioned independent north where a foreign dead leader was to be revered as their leader, specially to the GCs wanting to live in their own country in the north state and for them to give their allegiance to him. Thank you, thank you, thank you, for really telling us what the AP was all about with your own words. You said more with this revelation than Perry Anderson did in his "The Division of Cyprus" article. WOW, talk about honesty, so once again VP, thank you, thank you, thank you.

In answer to your question, no the AP and recognized partition are two totally different things, one would have give me a recognized country all to myself, whereas the AP would have meant sharing the same country, idenity and government with the GCs. When you realize that the GCs are not genuine in the desire to share the island on a equal footing then you become like me a Partionist thinking that the best path is that each officially goes their own way.

Actually, the answer is that there was no difference in your partitionist and the AP's values. They are one and the same, which would have been for the TCs to become "Masters in the north and Partners in the south", with the north run as a separate foreign Turkish country and all those living in the north, including the Greek Cypriots, who had to give their allegiance to Ataturk.

CASE CLOSED!

Another clutching at straws post, the AP will be the GCs nightmare for many years to come as long as the UN are involved they will never scrap it for a fresh start, the basis of any future BBF negotiations will be a renamed AP, so get over yourself and to grips with reality, the TCs will never accept anything less in fact they will now demand even further tighter checks and balances to say YES, eg circumsizion etc etc etc.

Dont the Australians give alligence to the Queen of England? as a formality to gain citizenship.

You are an idiot of the highest calibre. Trying to debate with you is like debating with a donkey.

I most probably insulted all the donkeys in the world by comparing them with you.

You have been caught with your disguised partition plan in the AP, so thank you, thank you, thank you.

The Queen is the head of the Commonwealth and Australia is one of the countries in the commonwealth. What's that got to do with Ataturk and Cyprus????

Despite that Australia is in the commonwealth and the QEII is the head of state of these Commonwealth countries, I do not believe the new citizens in Australia pledge their allegiance to the Queen of England.

Australian Citizenship pledge

It is important for all Australian citizens to understand our responsibilities and what it means to be a citizen, whether we are Australian by birth or by choice. It is a critical part of building our nation.
Most people are required to make the Australian Citizenship Pledge at a citizenship ceremony. In doing so you are making a public commitment to Australia and accepting the responsibilities and privileges of citizenship. Learning the meaning behind the Pledge will give you a greater understanding of what it means to be an Australian and the responsibilities and privileges of citizenship.
You can choose between two versions of the Pledge, one that mentions God and one that does not.

Pledge 1
From this time forward, under God,
I pledge my loyalty to Australia and its people,
whose democratic beliefs I share,
whose rights and liberties I respect, and
whose laws I will uphold and obey.

Pledge 2
From this time forward
I pledge my loyalty to Australia and its people,
whose democratic beliefs I share,
whose rights and liberties I respect, and
whose laws I will uphold and obey.

http://www.citizenship.gov.au/ceremonies/pledge/

Another shitty pointless post of yours Kikapooo , people in order to gain citizenship or even a driving licence have to adhere to procedures, if you dont like it or oppose it dont both to apply, now you can also close this case.

Ha ha ha. You have finally admitted that the AP was a disguised partition plan, hence the fact every GC wanting to live in the north state had to learn Turkish and give their allegiance to Ataturk, just as if they were immigrants going to be living in a Turkish foreign country.

As I always say, give an idiot enough rope and they will eventually hang themselves.

Thank you, thank you, thank you!

[Lordo]

another thing you need to dealwith is your eye sight. you see things that are not there. but of course it could be you brain. eye sight it can be solved but brain you have no chance mky eogapooey friend.

[Viewpoint]

You really are sinking deeper and deeper into the idiotic mire, get a grip man if I wanted to live in the south and had to give alliengence to martians as a formality it would not stop me. Your arguments are weak and pointless now do everyone a favor close the case like you are so fond of doing put on a pointy with the letter D clearly marked on the front and go sit in a corner.

[Kikapu]

You really are sinking deeper and deeper into the idiotic mire, get a grip man if I wanted to live in the south and had to give alliengence to martians as a formality it would not stop me. Your arguments are weak and pointless now do everyone a favor close the case like you are so fond of doing put on a pointy with the letter D clearly marked on the front and go sit in a corner.

You wish I would close this case. No a chance. You have finally admitted that the AP was a partition plan.

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

[Viewpoint]

You really are sinking deeper and deeper into the idiotic mire, get a grip man if I wanted to live in the south and had to give alliengence to martians as a formality it would not stop me. Your arguments are weak and pointless now do everyone a favor close the case like you are so fond of doing put on a pointy with the letter D clearly marked on the front and go sit in a corner.

You wish I would close this case. No a chance. You have finally admitted that the AP was a partition plan.

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

You are delusional, really what is wrong with you Kikapooo you appear more stupid than normal Im getting concerned.

[Lordo]

eogapoo eogapoo eogapoooooo
e shesen banodooooooooooooo

[B25]

eogapoo eogapoo eogapoooooo
e shesen banodooooooooooooo

Great poetry Freddy It rhymes too!.

Fredoui, fredoui, poushto kotsiroiu
pou peis je katses pas to villion to Vppoui.