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[Pyrpolizer]

So basically you confirm that your leaders were not genuine and never negotiated in goodfaith, they are liars misleading the international community.

Basically you didn't understand what I said.

[Viewpoint]

So basically you confirm that your leaders were not genuine and never negotiated in goodfaith, they are liars misleading the international community.

Basically you didn't understand what I said.

Basically your clarification demonstrates that papamoronstroppolos was a liar because he thought well I cant get what I want so why not lie and decieve everyone about negotiating in goodfaith for a solution and his real goal was to get his people to reject what put before them, how can you trust such politics. Give them free range and they will discriminate twist and manipulate the best democracy into csomething that would force all TCs into minority status in a GC state.

[B25]

So basically you confirm that your leaders were not genuine and never negotiated in goodfaith, they are liars misleading the international community.

Basically you didn't understand what I said.

Basically your clarification demonstrates that papamoronstroppolos was a liar because he thought well I cant get what I want so why not lie and decieve everyone about negotiating in goodfaith for a solution and his real goal was to get his people to reject what put before them, how can you trust such politics. Give them free range and they will discriminate twist and manipulate the best democracy into csomething that would force all TCs into minority status in a GC state.

Another crock of shit.

Where do you get all the verbal diarrhea from???? Same shit turn over and over and over again.

Talk about retards, I think you beat the lot of them.

[Pyrpolizer]

So basically you confirm that your leaders were not genuine and never negotiated in goodfaith, they are liars misleading the international community.

Basically you didn't understand what I said.

Basically your clarification demonstrates that papamoronstroppolos was a liar because he thought well I cant get what I want so why not lie and decieve everyone about negotiating in goodfaith for a solution and his real goal was to get his people to reject what put before them, how can you trust such politics. Give them free range and they will discriminate twist and manipulate the best democracy into csomething that would force all TCs into minority status in a GC state.

Another crock of shit.

Where do you get all the verbal diarrhea from???? Same shit turn over and over and over again.

Talk about retards, I think you beat the lot of them.

It's called the "art of propaganda" B25. Repeating the same lies over and over and over again, in the end some fools beleive it.The one who gets convinced first is the propagandist himself. In this case VP

[Lordo]

who said babdobillos was not straight as a banana. how else can you have a banana republic.

[bill cobbett]

Yes, our thanks yet again to Vordo for yet another interesting and constructive contribution...

Anyway, the Trades Union Platform of the CY Workers living under the Embargoes of Turkey and "trnc" continued their contacts in London and met with members of the National Federation of CYs here in London this past Thursday night.

The National Fed is the umbrella body for the associations of the old villages and other groups. A very influential body in the Struggle here in GB.

This is the statement released after the meeting...

UK Cypriots and Turkish Cypriot trades unions push for bi-communal action to reunite Cyprus

Turkish Cypriot trades union leaders from occupied northern Cyprus met with the President and members of the Executive Council of the UK Cypriots’ Federation in London Thursday evening. The convivial meeting at the bi-communal Cypriot Community Centre in Haringey, confirmed a shared vision of a free, united Cyprus and unanimous support for co-ordinated action by Greek- and Turkish-Cypriot communities everywhere, aimed at an end of Turkey’s military occupation and the country’s reunification.

The trades unions delegation was on a four day visit to London, meeting British politicians and trades unions, UK Cypriot community groups and other civic society organisations. Sener Elcil Hassan, General Secretary of ‘Cyprus Turkish Teachers Trade Union’ (Turkish Cypriot Primary teachers’ union) (KTOS), said that the visit aimed to inform UK politicians and other influential groups of the many difficulties faced by the Turkish Cypriot community in occupied Cyprus, to highlight Turkey’s deliberate “imposition of demographic changes” on the island and to demand that the Cyprus issue becomes a top priority of the international community.

The delegation, representing nine Turkish Cypriot trades unions on the island, emphasised how the interests of the Turkish Cypriot community are not represented by the illegal pseudo-state in the occupied areas. In addition, they stated that they regard the so-called ‘Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus’ as Turkey’s ‘puppet regime’ and that the latter’s purpose is to facilitate Ankara’s ‘partitionist’ aims on the island. The Turkish Cypriot trades unionists indicated that the objective of the UK visit, as with similar visits to Brussels, has been to articulate “the true voice” of Turkish Cypriots, which is otherwise suppressed by Turkey, and to express their fear that the Turkish Cypriot community is in danger of extinction as a consequence of Turkey’s stranglehold on occupied Cyprus and the transfer of large numbers of mainland Turkish colonists to the areas under its control. The likelihood of extinction, illustrated by Turkey’s efforts to destroy the historically unique secular Turkish Cypriot culture and identity, through wholesale ‘Islamisation’ of the occupied areas, were recurrent themes articulated by Turkish Cypriot representatives at the meeting.

Peter Droussiotis, Federation President, articulated the UK Cypriot community’s desire to work with Turkish Cypriots who share the vision of a united island free from foreign occupation troops. He said: “The Federation’s consistent message is that we want a reunited Cyprus for the benefit of all Cypriots.”

In response to questions, Mr Droussiotis reiterated the Greek Cypriot community’s total commitment to a just and lasting settlement and empathised that its rejection of the Annan plan in 2004, which Turkey exploits for propaganda purposes, should not be interpreted as a rejection of reunification. He said: “The Annan Plan was overwhelmingly voted down because it was seen as a dysfunctional, unworkable plan which would have legitimised virtually every consequence of Turkey’s military invasion and occupation while denying Cypriots their human rights and fundamental freedoms in their own country.”

The meeting agreed that Turkey’s military occupation and policy of colonisation represent the main obstacles to a just and viable settlement on the island. Those present also resolved that leading Cypriot community groups and organisations, both in Cyprus and overseas, should work more closely together and explore joint initiatives in support of the common struggle to reunite the island. They agreed to develop the dialogue with a view to formulating specific strategies and actions supportive of this agenda.

Commenting on the meeting’s outcomes, Mr. Droussiotis said:

“We were delighted to meet our Turkish Cypriot trades union friends: there is clearly a common will to work towards a solution in Cyprus that safeguards the freedom, independence and unity of the island for the benefit of all Cypriots. The tragic story of the plight of the Turkish Cypriot community in the northern part of Cyprus occupied by the Turkish army is one of unacceptable oppression, bullying and belligerence by Turkey.

“It is abundantly clear, based on the evidence presented at the meeting today, that Turkish Cypriots are as much victims of Turkey’s invasion, occupation and colonisation of the northern part of Cyprus as their Greek Cypriot and other Cypriot counterparts. The messages passionately articulated by this delegation answer unequivocally the relentless falsehoods and propaganda spouted by the Turkish Ambassador and Turkey’s unprincipled advocates in relation to Turkey’s role on the island.

“I am encouraged by our common resolve to work together to bring to an end the many injustices that Turkey’s occupation of Cyprus has inflicted on all Cypriots without exception – Greek Cypriots, Turkish Cypriots, Armenian Cypriots, Maronite Cypriots, Latin Cypriots and all other Cypriots – and to draw the UK Government’s attention to its own moral and legal obligations to the Republic of Cyprus. The suffering of generations of Cypriots cannot be ignored just because of the passage of time.

“Today, we witnessed how Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots, when free from the chains of military occupation, enthusiastically embrace the opportunity to work together for the common benefit of all Cypriots. We know what many refuse to acknowledge: that Cyprus’s division lies not at the door of inter-communal strife but in Turkey’s systematic obstruction of any progress for unity and harmony on the island. We look forward to enhanced cooperation with the Turkish Cypriot trades unions and with all other Turkish Cypriots who want to see Cyprus free and united.”

[Lordo]

so what is the first positive thing they have agreed on other than have more meetings and just talking for the next 100 years. just one.

if the unions in the south are not interested in helping and go as far as to refuse entry to tc workers to join them you are a little too soft on the brain department if you think gc unions anywhere will lift a finger to help a tc or tc union. you really need to look in the mirror once in a while. on second thoughts dont spare the mirror.

[Kikapu]

So thank you for proving my point that the GCs did not negotiate in goodfaith because they had no real intention of uniting the island, their real aim was to enter the blackmailed EU, so how do you expect us to trust such people. Further to this experience now even more checks and balances are necessary to ensure GCs do not renege any future attempts at a solution. Dont you have to pass English profiency tests in the USA to get a green card or pledge alligence to the Queen in the UK to become a citizen, why are you so shocked at alligence to Atatürks modern ideology, its only a formality.

No need to thank me, because that's not what I said. Again you did not understand what was written, or if you did, you just ignored it. Go back and read again what I wrote. But in your attempt to play innocent, you let the cat out of the bag in what you wrote that the AP was in fact a disguised partition. Not necessarily two separate states in the beginning, but much like what Nikitas always stated, that the AP would have made the TCs masters of the north and partners in the south, since the AP as said by Kifeas would have meant the GCs gifting the north to the TCs. From there on, policies were in place for the north to do what ever they wanted and in time declare independence very easily, but in the meantime taking 50% of the Gas & Oil as partners in the south.

OK, let's get back to your above statement which must have come from your subconscious mind, because it is very telling what the AP was all about. You said this.

Dont you have to pass English profiency tests in the USA to get a green card or pledge allegiance to the Queen in the UK to become a citizen, why are you so shocked at alligence to Atatürks modern ideology, its only a formality.

It may be a formality to give allegiance in other countries when an immigrant becomes a citizen of that said country. In the USA, one gives an allegiance to the USA constitution and not to an individual like George Washington. But what does Ataturk has to do anything with Cyprus and the north state anyway? Ataturk has ZERO connection to Cypriots and Cyprus and you expected the GCs to give an allegiance to Ataturk as if they were going to be living in a foreign country in the north that is in fact "Turkish". It would be like those wanting to become Americans, giving their allegiance to the Queen of England for fcuk sake. If Greek is also an official language in Cyprus, why would they need to learn Turkish to get a job in the north. You see how you saw the AP, an partitioned independent north where a foreign dead leader was to be revered as their leader, specially to the GCs wanting to live in their own country in the north state and for them to give their allegiance to him. Thank you, thank you, thank you, for really telling us what the AP was all about with your own words. You said more with this revelation than Perry Anderson did in his "The Division of Cyprus" article. WOW, talk about honesty, so once again VP, thank you, thank you, thank you.

In answer to your question, no the AP and recognized partition are two totally different things, one would have give me a recognized country all to myself, whereas the AP would have meant sharing the same country, idenity and government with the GCs. When you realize that the GCs are not genuine in the desire to share the island on a equal footing then you become like me a Partionist thinking that the best path is that each officially goes their own way.

Actually, the answer is that there was no difference in your partitionist and the AP's values. They are one and the same, which would have been for the TCs to become "Masters in the north and Partners in the south", with the north run as a separate foreign Turkish country and all those living in the north, including the Greek Cypriots, who had to give their allegiance to Ataturk.

CASE CLOSED!

[Lordo]

not another case closed. how many cases do you have and more to the point where are you going. i warn you hell is full, of your friends.

[Viewpoint]

So thank you for proving my point that the GCs did not negotiate in goodfaith because they had no real intention of uniting the island, their real aim was to enter the blackmailed EU, so how do you expect us to trust such people. Further to this experience now even more checks and balances are necessary to ensure GCs do not renege any future attempts at a solution. Dont you have to pass English profiency tests in the USA to get a green card or pledge alligence to the Queen in the UK to become a citizen, why are you so shocked at alligence to Atatürks modern ideology, its only a formality.

No need to thank me, because that's not what I said. Again you did not understand what was written, or if you did, you just ignored it. Go back and read again what I wrote. But in your attempt to play innocent, you let the cat out of the bag in what you wrote that the AP was in fact a disguised partition. Not necessarily two separate states in the beginning, but much like what Nikitas always stated, that the AP would have made the TCs masters of the north and partners in the south, since the AP as said by Kifeas would have meant the GCs gifting the north to the TCs. From there on, policies were in place for the north to do what ever they wanted and in time declare independence very easily, but in the meantime taking 50% of the Gas & Oil as partners in the south.

OK, let's get back to your above statement which must have come from your subconscious mind, because it is very telling what the AP was all about. You said this.

Dont you have to pass English profiency tests in the USA to get a green card or pledge allegiance to the Queen in the UK to become a citizen, why are you so shocked at alligence to Atatürks modern ideology, its only a formality.

It may be a formality to give allegiance in other countries when an immigrant becomes a citizen of that said country. In the USA, one gives an allegiance to the USA constitution and not to an individual like George Washington. But what does Ataturk has to do anything with Cyprus and the north state anyway? Ataturk has ZERO connection to Cypriots and Cyprus and you expected the GCs to give an allegiance to Ataturk as if they were going to be living in a foreign country in the north that is in fact "Turkish". It would be like those wanting to become Americans, giving their allegiance to the Queen of England for fcuk sake. If Greek is also an official language in Cyprus, why would they need to learn Turkish to get a job in the north. You see how you saw the AP, an partitioned independent north where a foreign dead leader was to be revered as their leader, specially to the GCs wanting to live in their own country in the north state and for them to give their allegiance to him. Thank you, thank you, thank you, for really telling us what the AP was all about with your own words. You said more with this revelation than Perry Anderson did in his "The Division of Cyprus" article. WOW, talk about honesty, so once again VP, thank you, thank you, thank you.

In answer to your question, no the AP and recognized partition are two totally different things, one would have give me a recognized country all to myself, whereas the AP would have meant sharing the same country, idenity and government with the GCs. When you realize that the GCs are not genuine in the desire to share the island on a equal footing then you become like me a Partionist thinking that the best path is that each officially goes their own way.

Actually, the answer is that there was no difference in your partitionist and the AP's values. They are one and the same, which would have been for the TCs to become "Masters in the north and Partners in the south", with the north run as a separate foreign Turkish country and all those living in the north, including the Greek Cypriots, who had to give their allegiance to Ataturk.

CASE CLOSED!

Another clutching at straws post, the AP will be the GCs nightmare for many years to come as long as the UN are involved they will never scrap it for a fresh start, the basis of any future BBF negotiations will be a renamed AP, so get over yourself and to grips with reality, the TCs will never accept anything less in fact they will now demand even further tighter checks and balances to say YES, eg circumsizion etc etc etc.

Dont the Australians give alligence to the Queen of England? as a formality to gain citizenship.