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[Kikapu]

today i attended a meeting at the parliement listening to 10 trade union chiefs of the trnc. these people represent the 95% of the tc workers in trnc.

one after the other i heard them slate the trnc ungreen policy of karpaz. the collusion that has taken place to set up the whore houses and the cassinos in the north. how trnc is taxing them trade. how trnc is blocking the trade of tcs with the gcs.

and i am thinking bloody hell kikapoo was right all along. maybe i was at a meeting of the elam trade unionists. but no i checked and they were trnc trade unionists.

but then a question came along. what are the gcs and the gc trade unions duing for the unification of cyprus. absolutly nothing. what are the gc unions doing about recruiting tcs that work in the south. in fact they are blocking tcs from joining them. this is the unions doing this not the government. i was preparing myself for the biggest let down when the annan plan was mentioned. i was sure they would recite what kikapoo says on this forum. to my absolute surprise all 10 union leaders supported the annan plan even though they hate turkey. then it dawned on me. kikapoo is the ass of the world. far from annan being a speraratists plan it was the last chance to save the north form becoming terkish. and we lost it.

If you think I'm going to take anything you wrote regarding the Trade Union leaders and their comments about the AP, then you have another thing coming.

You are a inherently an dishonest person, Lordo, therefore, you can never have any credibility in what you write..

First of all, anyone in the north who did not support the AP needed their heads examined. It was a dream come true plan for the "trnc", Turkey, settlers and all the NeoPartitionist. I know some TCs thought it was a peace plan, since they were most likely to be very trusting people and wanted the best for Cyprus and voted "YES" on the AP without knowing too much about it, therefore they can be forgiven for voting "YES" for a partition plan, just because they had good intentions. But for the rest like VP who also voted for the AP who is a self claimed "I'm a Partitionist at Heart", why would he vote "YES" to a plan that did not have partition in it? Makes no sense. Secondly comes Halil, who stated "The AP was giving me EVERYTHING I wanted and that I was going to become my own EFENDI". Then we have my cousin's partitionist husband who said to me in my face in Cyprus, "we voted for the AP and not for peace".

CASE CLOSED!

Now Lordo, take a hike with your above cheap propaganda post.

[Viewpoint]

I became a partionist after the failure of the AP, before that I thought the only way forward was to unite by trusting the GCs but after seeing and living the rejection of the AP I understood that it is not possible to unite with GCs unless we submit to their demands that we give up all our rights and accept minority rights in a GC state.

[Kikapu]

I became a partionist after the failure of the AP, before that I thought the only way forward was to unite by trusting the GCs but after seeing and living the rejection of the AP I understood that it is not possible to unite with GCs unless we submit to their demands that we give up all our rights and accept minority rights in a GC state.

That would be like saying, "just because a girl turned down the man's advances, he turned Gay"!

[Viewpoint]

I became a partionist after the failure of the AP, before that I thought the only way forward was to unite by trusting the GCs but after seeing and living the rejection of the AP I understood that it is not possible to unite with GCs unless we submit to their demands that we give up all our rights and accept minority rights in a GC state.

That would be like saying, "just because a girl turned down the man's advances, he turned Gay"!

Please stop being your silly self its getting very tiresome, changing ones opinion due to further understanding of the real situation is nothing like changing your sexuality which is something you are born with. so your analogy is what you spout the most shit.

[Pyrpolizer]

Kikapu in reality 44% of the Kibrislis +settlers voted "NO" for the Anan Plan.
There are Tcs who want clear/straight partition no matter what. Plus the majority of settlers of course. The Anan Plan was disguised partition so they did not trust it.

Imo the fact that they gave citizenship to so many settlers, means that they will never vote for any plan unless it is worse (for the GCs) than the Anan Plan.

I was always saying that Turkey and the TC leadership were always working to MAKE SOLUTION IMPOSSIBLE.

[Kikapu]

I became a partionist after the failure of the AP, before that I thought the only way forward was to unite by trusting the GCs but after seeing and living the rejection of the AP I understood that it is not possible to unite with GCs unless we submit to their demands that we give up all our rights and accept minority rights in a GC state.

That would be like saying, "just because a girl turned down the man's advances, he turned Gay"!

Please stop being your silly self its getting very tiresome, changing ones opinion due to further understanding of the real situation is nothing like changing your sexuality which is something you are born with. so your analogy is what you spout the most shit.

OK, let me get serious in that case, since you asked so nicely.

You said "YES" to Annan plan that was to violate others Democratic rights, Human Rights, International Law and EU Principles, as well as keeping most of their property in the north state, allowing to let several thousand GCs live in the north without any political rights in the north state or be able to leave their property to their heirs, have a very loose Confederation, Turkey having a major say so in Cyprus, just to name a few problems with the AP, and since the GCs said "OXI" to such a plan, you became a Partitionist at Heart since 2004. Really??

So what's the difference between the AP then and you being a Partitionist now? Don't you now have the same values as the AP did then?

[Kikapu]

Kikapu in reality 44% of the Kibrislis +settlers voted "NO" for the Anan Plan.
There are Tcs who want clear/straight partition no matter what. Plus the majority of settlers of course. The Anan Plan was disguised partition so they did not trust it.

Imo the fact that they gave citizenship to so many settlers, means that they will never vote for any plan unless it is worse (for the GCs) than the Anan Plan.

I was always saying that Turkey and the TC leadership were always working to MAKE SOLUTION IMPOSSIBLE.

I believe your figures on the TCs who said "NO" to the AP, Pyro. But I also believe there were many TCs who had voted for the AP believing it was a peace plan for a Unified Cyprus. They were either mislead by the Partitionist or that they just did not know enough about the AP. How can anyone blame them. No one knew all the 9,000+ pages of the "landmines" filled Annan Plan for Cyprus and for the vast majority of Cypriots, both GCs and TCs, along with others.

[Pyrpolizer]

Kikapu in reality 44% of the Kibrislis +settlers voted "NO" for the Anan Plan.
There are Tcs who want clear/straight partition no matter what. Plus the majority of settlers of course. The Anan Plan was disguised partition so they did not trust it.

Imo the fact that they gave citizenship to so many settlers, means that they will never vote for any plan unless it is worse (for the GCs) than the Anan Plan.

I was always saying that Turkey and the TC leadership were always working to MAKE SOLUTION IMPOSSIBLE.

I believe your figures on the TCs who said "NO" to the AP, Pyro. But I also believe there were many TCs who had voted for the AP believing it was a peace plan for a Unified Cyprus. They were either mislead by the Partitionist or that they just did not know enough about the AP. How can anyone blame them. No one knew all the 9,000+ pages of the "landmines" filled Annan Plan for Cyprus and for the vast majority of Cypriots, both GCs and TCs, along with others.

No, no, I am not blaming them in fact the Kypreoi who voted YES did so for the same reason like the TCs, I mean they thought it was a peace plan coming from the UN to Unify Cyprus etc.

My point was that because the settlers were given "citizenship" there is no chance for any new plan to pass their voting ( i mean the voting of the settlers plus the voting of those TCs who are partitionists) unless it is a partition plan, hence the will of the remaining TCs who want true reunification goes away. Hence SOLUTION IMPOSSIBLE.

[repulsewarrior]

...money, not mission impossible. fill pockets, and offer a better package Democratically, i don't doubt "Turks" would vote with Turks, for Cyprus, they know how their bread is buttered and on which side. the real issue is, how much better are we when Cyprus is not torn in two, when will this flash point ignite, that provokes island wide, the raising of the Cypriot Flag. for now, one can say, governments are embroiled in a battle that is shaking their foundations because, exposed, they are powerless to act with the confidence of their debtors, and their electors are not amused.

; thank-you Lordo, it's a step forward, if you think things are going to crap in the north, it says a lot.

...curious, what proportion of the electorate would you say are the Unions' membership; anyone?

[Viewpoint]

I became a partionist after the failure of the AP, before that I thought the only way forward was to unite by trusting the GCs but after seeing and living the rejection of the AP I understood that it is not possible to unite with GCs unless we submit to their demands that we give up all our rights and accept minority rights in a GC state.

That would be like saying, "just because a girl turned down the man's advances, he turned Gay"!

Please stop being your silly self its getting very tiresome, changing ones opinion due to further understanding of the real situation is nothing like changing your sexuality which is something you are born with. so your analogy is what you spout the most shit.

OK, let me get serious in that case, since you asked so nicely.

You said "YES" to Annan plan that was to violate others Democratic rights, Human Rights, International Law and EU Principles, as well as keeping most of their property in the north state, allowing to let several thousand GCs live in the north without any political rights in the north state or be able to leave their property to their heirs, have a very loose Confederation, Turkey having a major say so in Cyprus, just to name a few problems with the AP, and since the GCs said "OXI" to such a plan, you became a Partitionist at Heart since 2004. Really??

So what's the difference between the AP then and you being a Partitionist now? Don't you now have the same values as the AP did then?

Kikapu you gave your word that you were going to leave your sillyness behind but you again continue to spout shit, the AP to the majorty of voters was a chance to move forward, a chnace to start agin and build a united Cyprus, how many of them do you think read all 9000 pages? the simplified details were handed out and we heard debates on the television telling us the pros and cons. Do you ever stop to think for a moment that the only ever chnace we will get was squandered, the GCs played the non negotiating card to produce the worst plan for it to be rejected, do you know that the GCs did not attend the last round of committee talks at the old Nicosia Airport becuase they were following the orders of their crappy leade papastrpolos who do some research clearly stated that he will never accept taking on a country to hading over a consitiuent state. You have lie blame where blame is due, all the separate committees were held and conducted by the UN and EU, they were a party to all that as agreed around the negotiating tables, where was the GC goodwill and determination to find a solution?

Now lets look at it from the angle of the TCs who fought their corner in goodfaith and developed a plan that they thought would best address their fears and concerns with the approval of the majority of the international community only to be slapped in the face by the GCs whos intenitions were once again a repitition of history where they have no real desire to share or create a union with the TCs. The GCs signed a deal in 1960 and still complain about it today, they set up the AP to fail and if by any remote chnace it had of been accepted they would have renegged on it anyway, so these people are not to be trusted, the only was they will accept us is by forcing us into minority status where they can manipulate discriminate and push us to one side with no real say in our own country.....thats why I no longer want to put my people at risk and prefer to keep them out of the clutches of people who do not regard us as equal partners...thats why I support partition as the only real solution to this problem.