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[DrCyprus]

The EU turning a blind eye to one sided GC EU entry is more that enough proof to show the EUs double standards and lack of back bone when standing up to blackmail.

It wasn't an one sided GC EU entry. The entirety of Cyprus entered the E.U, but the participation of the Northern Occupied bit is suspended because of the illegal presence of the Turkish military.

Can you give me a non-Cyprus related example?

Exactly you miss the whole point because it doesnt suit you, you cannot enter into any union unilaterally...you have to get our support, read your consitution. The EU if they had any teeth should have said hold on you are a divided island with problems we cannot accept you one sided into the union.

The EU have teeth. That's why they say 'Hey Turkey, hold on, you are dividing an island country to promote your own expansionist interests, we can't let you in the E.U.''

[Viewpoint]

The EU turning a blind eye to one sided GC EU entry is more that enough proof to show the EUs double standards and lack of back bone when standing up to blackmail.

It wasn't an one sided GC EU entry. The entirety of Cyprus entered the E.U, but the participation of the Northern Occupied bit is suspended because of the illegal presence of the Turkish military.

Can you give me a non-Cyprus related example?

Exactly you miss the whole point because it doesnt suit you, you cannot enter into any union unilaterally...you have to get our support, read your consitution. The EU if they had any teeth should have said hold on you are a divided island with problems we cannot accept you one sided into the union.

The EU have teeth. That's why they say 'Hey Turkey, hold on, you are dividing an island country to promote your own expansionist interests, we can't let you in the E.U.''

Thats not what they are saying they are saying you have not completed the exams/chapters necessary to enter, but lets go with what you are claiming isnt it double standards? there are 2 sides to this dispute yet you accpet being blackmailed and let a divided island in but say no to country that is not divided which supported the last and only attempt put forward for referendum by the UN support by the majority of the world. This is called hypocrisy and double standards of the worst kind, but of course I am not the right person to tlak to about Turkeys EU aspirations as I do not support them.

[Maximus]

Thats not what they are saying they are saying you have not completed the exams/chapters necessary to enter, but lets go with what you are claiming isnt it double standards? there are 2 sides to this dispute yet you accpet being blackmailed and let a divided island in but say no to country that is not divided which supported the last and only attempt put forward for referendum by the UN support by the majority of the world. This is called hypocrisy and double standards of the worst kind, but of course I am not the right person to tlak to about Turkeys EU aspirations as I do not support them.

thats right VP, they haven't passed the exams and they will not pass the exams while they continue to occupy a member state. Furthermore, no solution will be acepted which conflicts with all the chapters that the RoC has passed.

The EU are dead right to not admit Turkey into the EU and to suspend the aquis in the occupied part of Cyprus.

there are two sides to this dispute alright, the right side and the wrong side. The 'turks' as well as the Turkish Cypriots ARE on the wrong side. Accept it.

[Viewpoint]

Thats not what they are saying they are saying you have not completed the exams/chapters necessary to enter, but lets go with what you are claiming isnt it double standards? there are 2 sides to this dispute yet you accpet being blackmailed and let a divided island in but say no to country that is not divided which supported the last and only attempt put forward for referendum by the UN support by the majority of the world. This is called hypocrisy and double standards of the worst kind, but of course I am not the right person to tlak to about Turkeys EU aspirations as I do not support them.

thats right VP, they haven't passed the exams and they will not pass the exams while they continue to occupy a member state. Furthermore, no solution will be acepted which conflicts with all the chapters that the RoC has passed.

The EU are dead right to not admit Turkey into the EU and to suspend the aquis in the occupied part of Cyprus.

there are two sides to this dispute alright, the right side and the wrong side. The 'turks' as well as the Turkish Cypriots ARE on the wrong side. Accept it.

Never, you are in the wrong the island is divided because of it, if you were in the right you would have solved the problem by now but the world can see that both sides are to blame.

Plus I agree with the EU Turkey should never be admitted its not an EU nation, therefore removing any leverage the GCs may have via the EU.

[Maximus]

thats just rubbish VP, pure and unadulterated rubbish.

[Viewpoint]

thats just rubbish VP, pure and unadulterated rubbish.

Which part? you cannot just say its rubbish without giving clarification because that makes your comments those of a person who cannot cope or deal with the truth.

[Maximus]

thats just rubbish VP, pure and unadulterated rubbish.

Which part? you cannot just say its rubbish without giving clarification because that makes your comments those of a person who cannot cope or deal with the truth.

Accept that Turkey and the TTTT are in the wrong.

[Viewpoint]

thats just rubbish VP, pure and unadulterated rubbish.

Which part? you cannot just say its rubbish without giving clarification because that makes your comments those of a person who cannot cope or deal with the truth.

Accept that Turkey and the TTTT are in the wrong.

[Kikapu]

Again we are covering old ground we have discussed your poisonous sell out plan many times, your ploy is for us to return so much land that it will make it far easier for GCs to take the one seat they need to take total control of the decision making body. Why are you so much against an equal balance between the 2 communities, why do you want to leave the door wide open for GCs to get the upper hand to do as they wish? erasing any effective say we TCs may have in our own future?

I'm going by facts.

1. BBF is NOT asking for a political equality of two communities, but rather of the two states.
2. Cyprus is in the EU, which the EU respects Democracy and Human Rights and it requires it 100% from it's member states.

If you can change the two things above then you can perhaps have what you want. Can you?

Let me know when you have succeeded, will you!

I have given you my thoughts on how the upper house balance can be achieved through a pan voting first past the post system so the size of each state becomes irrelevant and it will be a one man one vote system surely this fits well with the democracy and human rights you want for all?

The Eu is an ineffective toothless tiger than cannot stop any member state from manipulating loopholes to the detriment of specific members of their population due to their ethnic origins, that's why precise checks and balances are necessary to stop any such moves, surely you cannot have anything against such measures.

One man one vote is just one aspect of a Democracy. There are many more. One man's vote need to count for something. After all, Saddam gave his citizens a chance to vote, and so did Mubarak as well as many other rotten leaders, and they always remained in power for a very long time and what they had wasn't really a Democracy, was it. I'm not saying your "pan voting first past the post system" is the same where one man one vote doesn't really count, or does it?

In all sincerity, could you please explain to me how your "pan voting first past the post system" would work in Cyprus under the Federal state system...thanks.

[Viewpoint]

In all honesty Kikapooo I have clarified this many times and due to my lack of respect for you I cant be bothered as I know the type of sarcastic, manipulative, one sided, rude and nasty comments you will make.