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[Nikitas]

Any new plan to succeed will have to take into account local facts and put the usually last things first, namely properties and territory. Christofias was right on this point, it is possible to arrange the territorial issue so that it settles the properties issue to a large extent. But ALL TC leader are bound by Turkish insistence on what was eloquently stated by Erdo that night at Birgenstok: "we got what we wanted without removing a single soldier or returning an inch of land". That attitude will lead Annan 6 and 1006 right into the garbage can.

The international situation is purposely made to look complex. It is not if the EU is part of the collective future. It then becomes a one way deal with EU rules applying to all. In the context of BBF there is no excuse for special case scenarios in favor of any community.

As for the gas and oil, these are extraneous matters as the buyers are foreigners anyway. The question is whether the producing country can utilise resources intelligently, ie like Norway , or idiotically, like Nigeria. These are choices which no plan is going to influence or change if corruption is the leading factor. We all like to think that we will be like the Norwegians and make a pile of state owned money used for the benefit of all citizens. Hmmmm. Our collective land "development" policies show a common approach to resource exploitation which is not very encouraging. Look at Yeramosoyia and Kyrenia to see the point.

[Viewpoint]

Would that be AP6? what checks and balances will we have and what guarantees?

[Nikitas]

Pick any modern functionin federal state, USA, Canada, Switzerland, Germany, Australia, and copy them.

Unlike most GCs I am not afraid to voice the obvious fact, that BBF is a form of partition. And since it offers unprecedented communal autonomy, with the addition of bicommunality, which does not exist in other federal systems, the checks and balances, for me personally, do not seem that important. A territorial and properties settlement which minimises cause for future grievances is the more pressing issue.

This time round the last thing we need is to see the agreement as another halfway stop to the "final" showdown. A perceived unfair land settlement will do that irreversibly, whereas a governance issue can be overcome with goodwill, haggling, some politicking. This is what GC politicians do not seem to understand about their own electorate, hence they leave the properties issue last on the agenda.

[Viewpoint]

Power is more important to your leaders than property, the majority advantage and downgrading of our rights is agenda priority.

[Nikitas]

Perhaps that is their motive. Though I attribute it to the cultural overemphasis on dialectic and their underestimation of what their constituents count as important.

[Viewpoint]

Perhaps that is their motive. Though I attribute it to the cultural overemphasis on dialectic and their underestimation of what their constituents count as important.

Whatever you attribue it to the result is the same the Gcs have never wanted to share the island equally with us, they view us as some sort infering body that should be taught a lesson and put in their place which is a "minority rights" but they underestimate our etermination and grit to never let go of our rights to a partnership as reflected in the UN and world mindset that Cyprus should be a BBF with political equality of the 2 states.

[Kikapu]

Perhaps that is their motive. Though I attribute it to the cultural overemphasis on dialectic and their underestimation of what their constituents count as important.

Whatever you attribue it to the result is the same the Gcs have never wanted to share the island equally with us, they view us as some sort infering body that should be taught a lesson and put in their place which is a "minority rights" but they underestimate our etermination and grit to never let go of our rights to a partnership as reflected in the UN and world mindset that Cyprus should be a BBF with political equality of the 2 states.

All the Federal countries Nikitas mentioned above also have "political equality of their states" which you don't like.

What you want, is to have an Apartheid system in the north state where only the TCs and settlers have a political voice. This is where your Racist and Fascistic mindset is.

[Viewpoint]

Perhaps that is their motive. Though I attribute it to the cultural overemphasis on dialectic and their underestimation of what their constituents count as important.

Whatever you attribue it to the result is the same the Gcs have never wanted to share the island equally with us, they view us as some sort infering body that should be taught a lesson and put in their place which is a "minority rights" but they underestimate our etermination and grit to never let go of our rights to a partnership as reflected in the UN and world mindset that Cyprus should be a BBF with political equality of the 2 states.

All the Federal countries Nikitas mentioned above also have "political equality of their states" which you don't like.

What you want, is to have an Apartheid system in the north state where only the TCs and settlers have a political voice. This is where your Racist and Fascistic mindset is.

Politcal equality is not handing over the reigns of your state to the advantage of one state therefore making it a unitary state, your idea of political equality is allowing for lookholes and manipulation so that one state can easily dominate and control the other gifting the north state to the south state on a platter.

[Kikapu]

Perhaps that is their motive. Though I attribute it to the cultural overemphasis on dialectic and their underestimation of what their constituents count as important.

Whatever you attribue it to the result is the same the Gcs have never wanted to share the island equally with us, they view us as some sort infering body that should be taught a lesson and put in their place which is a "minority rights" but they underestimate our etermination and grit to never let go of our rights to a partnership as reflected in the UN and world mindset that Cyprus should be a BBF with political equality of the 2 states.

All the Federal countries Nikitas mentioned above also have "political equality of their states" which you don't like.

What you want, is to have an Apartheid system in the north state where only the TCs and settlers have a political voice. This is where your Racist and Fascistic mindset is.

Politcal equality is not handing over the reigns of your state to the advantage of one state therefore making it a unitary state, your idea of political equality is allowing for lookholes and manipulation so that one state can easily dominate and control the other gifting the north state to the south state on a platter.

Non of what you spout about happens in the Federal state countries Nikitas gave you, so what's the problem?

Maybe because they all respect Democracy, Human Rights, International laws which is something you are allergic to. You believe more in an Apartheid system, based on discrimination and minority rule!

[Viewpoint]

Perhaps that is their motive. Though I attribute it to the cultural overemphasis on dialectic and their underestimation of what their constituents count as important.

Whatever you attribue it to the result is the same the Gcs have never wanted to share the island equally with us, they view us as some sort infering body that should be taught a lesson and put in their place which is a "minority rights" but they underestimate our etermination and grit to never let go of our rights to a partnership as reflected in the UN and world mindset that Cyprus should be a BBF with political equality of the 2 states.

All the Federal countries Nikitas mentioned above also have "political equality of their states" which you don't like.

What you want, is to have an Apartheid system in the north state where only the TCs and settlers have a political voice. This is where your Racist and Fascistic mindset is.

Politcal equality is not handing over the reigns of your state to the advantage of one state therefore making it a unitary state, your idea of political equality is allowing for lookholes and manipulation so that one state can easily dominate and control the other gifting the north state to the south state on a platter.

Non of what you spout about happens in the Federal state countries Nikitas gave you, so what's the problem?

Maybe because they all respect Democracy, Human Rights, International laws which is something you are allergic to. You believe more in an Apartheid system, based on discrimination and minority rule!

You yourself have confırmed time and time again that the system is wide open to manipulation due to loopholes, only one seat is necessary to hand the north state to the south state on a plate...you soon forget how your own sell out plan exposed the dangers facing TCs if they were ever to fall into your trap, all we ask for are clear precise checks, balances and guarantees, we will never leave things to chance.