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[Jerry]

after the second world war, the land agreement between russia poland and germany was the same accepted by all. your problem is you think you have won in 74 and dictate terms. guess what shall i tell you........

Fred, I think it's generally accepted that Germany was the aggressor in WW2 and suffered loss accordingly. Now, according to most sane people Turkey invaded Cyprus, therefore it was the aggressor and will, one day, suffer the consequences. According to you the invasion was merely an "intervention", not an act of war. So no war - no territorial gains or losses then, just a teeny weeny "intervention"

Besides, unlike Russia, Poland and Germany we have not agreed to anything not even the property you claim we "exchanged"

[Lordo]

and the roc was not in 74. i think not.

you will never get it. you think cypriots are like the english. where they smash each other over the head with a bottle and then say sorry and its ok afterwards. lets face it. you are a million miles from a unified single zone and the longer you leave it the longer it will take. assuming that we have not reached the point of no return.

[Maximus]

and the roc was not in 74. i think not.

you will never get it. you think cypriots are like the english. where they smash each other over the head with a bottle and then say sorry and its ok afterwards. lets face it. you are a million miles from a unified single zone and the longer you leave it the longer it will take. assuming that we have not reached the point of no return.

this is an enlightening post Lordo

lets put the Cypriots aside then because it is beyond the point of no return now. How about a Turkish withdrawal? that's what the vast majority of the 'cyprob' is really about, Turkeys illegal occupation of northern Cyprus.

[Viewpoint]

and the roc was not in 74. i think not.

you will never get it. you think cypriots are like the english. where they smash each other over the head with a bottle and then say sorry and its ok afterwards. lets face it. you are a million miles from a unified single zone and the longer you leave it the longer it will take. assuming that we have not reached the point of no return.

this is an enlightening post Lordo

lets put the Cypriots aside then because it is beyond the point of no return now. How about a Turkish withdrawal? that's what the vast majority of the 'cyprob' is really about, Turkeys illegal occupation of northern Cyprus.

They leave and everything will be fine, is that what you are saying the TCs should give up there security because the GCs demand it?

[Maximus]

The TC's (the few that are left) can do what they like but the occupation must end, Turkey, her army, the settlers, etc, they must withdraw.

[Lordo]

i'll give it to you you have one thick skin. sure terkey would have gone just as soon as you signed the peace deal. in fact they would have gone 5 years ago.

which bit of no until the ceasefire is converted to peace deal do you have difficulty understanding.

but dont worry. no suffocating time frames. just wait a few more years when the tcs become a million it will be easier. we can even have one zone just like you like it.

[Pyrpolizer]

All the foreign investment Turkey got was because the chapters on Free movement of goods, free movement of capital and chapter on Company law were allowed by the RoC to proceed and Turkey was fully ready and already aligned fully to the Aquis from as early as 2006
While the foreign investment in Turkey definitely helped the country increase it's Standard of living, it is a short term earning for a period of say about 20 years, before the factories start moving in other/cheaper countries nearby (south Russia for example)

What will actually save Turkey is the chapter on Energy, and the chapter of transport which of course the good little RoC has frozen from 2006. Turkey is really desperate to open those chapters because she knows what they mean.However CHAPTERS FROZEN.

In a nutshell if Turkey continues playing this game hoping she will be getting investment for ever and that she already earned from this game she is TOTALLY WRONG.

Turkey HAS TO SOLVE the Cyprus problem to get the most important chapters open, that will give her long term prosperity either she joins the EU or simply gets a special relation.

OR ELSE...

Go ahead and tell Turkey she is wrong and that if she doesnt enter the EU the foreign investment flow will stop, she has been waiting for EU entry on and off for over 50 years and its has not effected the flow so your argument falls flat but still email them and say Pyro said im sure they will take notice of you

You know my views on Turkey joining the Eu I will not repeat my self, all they have do is be seen to want to join no more no less, no need for chapters to open or close.

Who said they don't know it already?
Who talked about full membership?
As for your views on Turkeys EU membership, there is no need to ask them just search around why Turkey is so desperate to open the chapters on Energy and Transport?

[Maximus]

its just rubbish Lordo, the Turkish Cypriots are a dwindling minority. start thinking about how congruent your side of the story will be when the TC's vanish.

Turkey, her army, the settlers must withdraw.

[Pyrpolizer]

Turkey has been experiencing a great deal of growth, however it is domestically fed. Mostly down to its own demographic numbers and profile (high birth rate, young population) Considering that its largest city accepts 500,000 new immigrants a year from the rest of Turkey this would be enough to push both property, utilities and other industries in a upward trajectory. Turkey does however have one serious problem, it is projecting a power blackout in 2016 where demand will exceed supply of power. This explains why renewables are now being fast tracked (Hydro and Biomass mostly) and why the dependency on oil and gas imports will need to be somehow shaken off. Easier said than done though.

There is little chance of renewables catching up with the demand regardless of how many subsidies the Turkish government offers up and how attractive these investments are for private equity funds right now...the country's only hope will be to increase gas and oil imports (explains the look eastward to Iraq and Iran as alternatives) unless it somehow strikes gold and finds its own source of gas (explains its aggressive attitude to Cypriot EEZ plots).

The way I see it, Turkey will use all means necessary to pressure the next Cypriot government into a solution where
1) The gas is piped through Turkey into Europe
2) A co-ownership clause is included in the new agreement.

As far as Cypriot governments that can strike a deal go...Anastasiades would be in a position to negotiate such a deal and get it signed, Lilikas will object and Malas and his party need to experience Spanish inquisition type torture so I won't even comment about them.

These 2 points are our leverage over Turkey, not the EU.

P.S once again I doubt whats good for the TC's is being at all considered by Turkey if it means energy independence.



As we say in Cyprus Ta alla oulla en pellares

Oh how nice So after trying to sell us with the Anan Plan this salesman is going to sell whatever is left for us for some loose confederation and on top of it give away our rights on gas... just because that's what Turkey wants. And on what grounds is he going to sign co-ownership of the hydrocarbons without actually accepting the so called 200 mile zone for Turkey and thus giving Turkey rights on the EEZ of ALL neighboring countries including Israel. Have you ever thought of the consequence?
Selling cheap is the easiest thing my friend....

Regardless in case he even tries such thing, I see him lasting much less than Christofias. Perhaps this is the only way for idiots to learn. Not that any of the other 2 candidates are better in fact each one is worse than the other imo.

[DrCyprus]

Dont you indeed. thats becasue you have your charlui greek glasses on. read it a little bit more carefully.

the cyprus issue is being used by the eu for their own interests, mainly keeping turkey out of eu.

so how many more fuckers are going to use cyprus for their interests. of all people the eu. protector turned abuser. where have i heard that before. and you cant even see it.

you and the rest of the gcs and the eu know exactly what to do with yourselves. i am sure you dont wish me to tell you. excluding the usual people who care about cyprus as it were.

The only one who is keeping Turkey out of the E.U is the expansionist and imperialist policies of its government.