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[repulsewarrior]

sir, you assume too much. but i know for a fact this is not true. you see, vp, i come from (i spit on the word) a "mixed village"; and yet , having been torn apart for "Greekness" or "Turkishness", we have remained a community which are loving to each other.

[Viewpoint]

sir, you assume too much. but i know for a fact this is not true. you see, vp, i come from (i spit on the word) a "mixed village", and yet , having been torn apart for "Greekness" or "Turkishness", we have remained a community which are loving to each other.

Im happy for you but this is not a country wide thing we have been divided for 39 years and look like it will continue for a long time to come.

[repulsewarrior]

i know what is right and what is not, you may judge me a "Greek" because i am Greek, but you are wrong.

...you represent, "Turks". i have more respect for Turks.

[Viewpoint]

i know what is right and what is not, you may judge me a "Greek" because i am Greek, but you are wrong.

...you represent, "Turks". i have more respect for Turks.

Your are part Greek who thinks hes not Greek but in origin you are Greek but you are confused because you were Greek Cypriots now you want to be just a Cypriot but most want to remain Greek not just Cypriot.....now work that out we it you Greek or GC or Martian???

[Kikapu]

So lets try and get a clearer picture to see how devious you really are:

Devious? What's with the attitude? Just helping you with your Pan voting system with "Checks & Balances". That's what you wanted, wasn't it? If not say so, then I won't waste my time.

North State 10GC 10TC
South State 10GC 10TC
Total 40MPs from 40 districts with the votes coming from their own districts electorate.

The votes are not ONLY coming from each district, but all over the country as well, just like what you wanted.

So how will the TCs MPs coming from the South State be elected if they get less votes than the GC candidates from the same district?

Easy. Using your system of "First Past The Post", once the top 10 GC PMs are elected in the south state, then the remaining 10 MPs seats will go to the top TCs, totalling 20MPs for the south state. The only condition has to be, that ONLY one MP is elected from each district, therefore 20 MPs comes from different 20 districts.

If for example a GC candidate gets more votes than a TC in the same district in the south state and the GC is amongst the top 10 candidates with the most votes, then the TC candidate will not become an MP from that district or become an MP at all, even if he should be in the top 10 for the TCs in the south state. That spot will then go to the 11th position TCs with the most votes from another district. At the same time, should a TC candidate receive less votes than a GC candidate in the same district but the GC candidate did not make the top 10 to become an MP, then the TC candidate will become an MP in that district to represent the south state. The same method in the north state. Between the north and the south states, there will be total of 40 MPs, 20 TCs and 20 GCs, in the way you have it in your post, North State 10GC and 10TC and South State 10GC and 10TC. This is the ultimate "Checks & Balances" that you have asked for, isn't it?

The same goes for the GC MP candidates in the North State districts.

As above.

Lets say it was possible then voting on laws etc would need minimums from not only both states but also ethnic origins from each state.

YES.

But you do realise, that in your system of Pan voting, votes from all over the country from anyone to anyone, the GCs will have 5:1 ratio more votes than the TCs will ever have, therefore, they will be able to vote for "Greek TCs" in the south state as well as in the north state as TC MPs. Very little chance for the TCs to vote for "Turkish GCs" in either states.

So you believe the GCs will manipulate the pan voting in favor of TC candidates they have bought?

I'm saying that your Pan voting system is faulty and not as good as you think it is. You think you can put a square peg into a round hole, but it doesn't fit, so you start forcing the square peg into the round hole and thinking you have finally managed to have it your way. Well, actually no, because now you have created other problems because there are many gaps between the forced peg and the round hole. I haven't even delved into it in a serious way, and yet I can see many problems with it. You are far better off with a almost complete democratic system like the one I gave you, and if extra insurance is needed for a limited time, then you can ask for derogation on certain things, but I do not need to remind you, that you will need to make compromises also since there's no such thing as a "free lunch".

Anyway, as Pyro said, it may all be academics anyway, since the governing part may have already been agreed to, eventhough Eroglu may not agree with it or Turkey for that matter.

[repulsewarrior]

i know what is right and what is not, you may judge me a "Greek" because i am Greek, but you are wrong.

...you represent, "Turks". i have more respect for Turks.

Your are part Greek who thinks hes not Greek but in origin you are Greek but you are confused because you were Greek Cypriots now you want to be just a Cypriot but most want to remain Greek not just Cypriot.....now work that out we it you Greek or GC or Martian???

...it's very clear, what i said. if it hits a chord, think about it for a while.

[Viewpoint]

i know what is right and what is not, you may judge me a "Greek" because i am Greek, but you are wrong.

...you represent, "Turks". i have more respect for Turks.

Your are part Greek who thinks hes not Greek but in origin you are Greek but you are confused because you were Greek Cypriots now you want to be just a Cypriot but most want to remain Greek not just Cypriot.....now work that out we it you Greek or GC or Martian???

...it's very clear, what i said. if it hits a chord, think about it for a while.

You come accross as one confused person who cannot even absord the fact that Greek and Turkish Cypriots reside on this island. Cypriotism is not an ideology that can be developed over night it takes years of cooperation understand and developement.

[repulsewarrior]

...dude, i thought you were "happy" for me, that i live(d) in a "mixed" village. they did exist. and quite correctly you state, Cypriotism (would take) took years to culture, not an Ideology, but a way of life.

...in a high and mighty righteous pose, you stand for "Turks", (and thus for, "Greeks"); it is the Cypriots who are your victim, so too Humanity: Lest We Forget.

[Viewpoint]

...dude, i thought you were "happy" for me, that i live(d) in a "mixed" village. they did exist. and quite correctly you state, Cypriotism (would take) took years to culture, not an Ideology, but a way of life.

...in a high and mighty righteous pose, you stand for "Turks", (and thus for, "Greeks"); it is the Cypriots who are your victim, so too Humanity: Lest We Forget.

That was in the past, Cyprus has been changed forever, Cypriotism can only be cultured of the two sides are united and want it you cannot force it, get a grip man saying it one hundred times wont automatically make it happen. You had your chance in the past and messed it up big time

[repulsewarrior]

you can say a thousand times that Cyprus does not exist, that only "Greeks" and "Turks" exist, there will be Cypriots who say otherwise. there is a whole world which sees it otherwise too. seems, that you live in a fantasy world because only Turkey, not even Turkey, but a deep state within Turkey is important to you.