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[Kikapu]

So in short we disagree

You mean to say you did not figure this out from my other post?

this is nothing unusual when it comes to the Cyprus problem, but if you were a person of good character or a TC you would have suggested fine tuning such as district voting first past the post but instead your poor attempt at ignoring very important parts of my post by just responding with your standard rhetoric of trying to reduce our size down to nothing, exposing us to GC domination and taking away our partnership rights can be seen by everyone as a sign of bad will, revealing to all your true intentions of selling us TCs out.

Let me get this straight. You make a very badly thought out proposal where you want to have a system full of loopholes, undemocratic one at that, where the TCs would lose out big time, and just because I do not want to take part in your disguised partition plan to make it even more undemocratic by creating more Human Rights violations on Cypriots and from the goodness of my heart I pointed out the pitfalls in your system in how you will expose the TCs to grave dangers where their votes will be useless against the GCs 5:1 ratio voting power, and you blame me for your "F" rated plan where you dug a big hole for yourself and the TCs.

I guess it is true, that "No Good Deed Goes Unpunished"!

In your words CASE WELL AND TRULY CLOSED.

You need to have a case before you can close it. Your system has no case, because it is totally flawed.

Now the CASE is CLOSED!

[Viewpoint]

So in short we disagree

You mean to say you did not figure this out from my other post?

this is nothing unusual when it comes to the Cyprus problem, but if you were a person of good character or a TC you would have suggested fine tuning such as district voting first past the post but instead your poor attempt at ignoring very important parts of my post by just responding with your standard rhetoric of trying to reduce our size down to nothing, exposing us to GC domination and taking away our partnership rights can be seen by everyone as a sign of bad will, revealing to all your true intentions of selling us TCs out.

Let me get this straight. You make a very badly thought out proposal where you want to have a system full of loopholes, undemocratic one at that, where the TCs would lose out big time, and just because I do not want to take part in your disguised partition plan to make it even more undemocratic by creating more Human Rights violations on Cypriots and from the goodness of my heart I pointed out the pitfalls in your system in how you will expose the TCs to grave dangers where their votes will be useless against the GCs 5:1 ratio voting power, and you blame me for your "F" rated plan where you dug a big hole for yourself and the TCs.

I guess it is true, that "No Good Deed Goes Unpunished"!

In your words CASE WELL AND TRULY CLOSED.

You need to have a case before you can close it. Your system has no case, because it is totally flawed.

Now the CASE is CLOSED!

Seeing that you responded and gave very weak counter arguments because your cage was rattled proves that indeed it was a case you felt so strongly about you spents hours putting together detailed responses which I thanked you for. Now just as I rejected your proposal as being a sell out plan and very very dangerous you could not do anything different your venom hatred and biased exudes from all of your posts so even if the best proposal in the world was put before you just because it was done by a TC you would still rubbish it. Im very glad and relieved in a way because haveing you agree with me would have made me very suspicious therefore I feel I am on the right track anything you disagree and rubbish much be good for the TCs.

Now the CASE IS DEFINATELY CLOSED.

[Kikapu]

Seeing that you responded and gave very weak counter arguments because your cage was rattled proves that indeed it was a case you felt so strongly about you spents hours putting together detailed responses which I thanked you for. Now just as I rejected your proposal as being a sell out plan and very very dangerous you could not do anything different your venom hatred and biased exudes from all of your posts so even if the best proposal in the world was put before you just because it was done by a TC you would still rubbish it. Im very glad and relieved in a way because haveing you agree with me would have made me very suspicious therefore I feel I am on the right track anything you disagree and rubbish much be good for the TCs.

Now the CASE IS DEFINATELY CLOSED.

Now just as I rejected your proposal as being a sell out plan and very very dangerous you could not do anything different your venom hatred and biased exudes from all of your posts so even if the best proposal in the world was put before you just because it was done by a TC you would still rubbish it.

Im very glad and relieved in a way because haveing you agree with me would have made me very suspicious therefore I feel I am on the right track anything you disagree and rubbish much be good for the TCs.

You just contradicted yourself from one sentence to the next.

Damn if I do and Damn if I don't.

Your brain must function on, "Heads I win, Tails you lose" mentality.

No wonder our good friend Pyro dumped you recently in trying to have a common sense discussions with you. I guess he has finally realised that Fascism is a mental disease, which is what you suffer from.

Just for your information, a much better proposal was made by a TC, the "Kikapu's "BBF" Power Sharing Plan" here on this link: cyprus21685.html

[Viewpoint]

Firstly you are not a TC, we all know this so there is no need to keep up this lie.

Secondly no contradiction just common sense, you are a person who wants to sell us out, so your plan proposal was just that a sell out plan which got no support and was rejected by me, but my plan was one that stopped your sell out ideology therefore you rejected it, only natural for someone who has the best interests of only the Gcs at heart, you could not do anything else....now if you agreed with me I would start to get suspicious that maybe my plan was playing into your hands of sell out the TCs, so you rejecting my plan only shows that it is the best way forward for the TCs.

As for Pyro he could not hack it he had no answers thats why he backed out, how can you debate with inconsistency just read his responses he claims we are all at risk then continues to say we TC are not at risk when commiting to s olution, once he understood that he could not provide answers, contribute or be constructive he backed out, simple as that.

[Lordo]

vp bosuna bas girang bu pezzevenginan gavole brak genni.

[Pyrpolizer]

Firstly you are not a TC, we all know this so there is no need to keep up this lie.

Secondly no contradiction just common sense, you are a person who wants to sell us out, so your plan proposal was just that a sell out plan which got no support and was rejected by me, but my plan was one that stopped your sell out ideology therefore you rejected it, only natural for someone who has the best interests of only the Gcs at heart, you could not do anything else....now if you agreed with me I would start to get suspicious that maybe my plan was playing into your hands of sell out the TCs, so you rejecting my plan only shows that it is the best way forward for the TCs.

As for Pyro he could not hack it he had no answers thats why he backed out, how can you debate with inconsistency just read his responses he claims we are all at risk then continues to say we TC are not at risk when commiting to s olution, once he understood that he could not provide answers, contribute or be constructive he backed out, simple as that.

Actually Kikapu has proved that your proposal gives all governing power to the GCs hence it will not be approved by the TCs themselves on the first place. Still you insist that it's fine given the fact that you (personally) proposed it just to keep the current percentage of land.
So your hypocrisy is evident.

On the other hand my discussion with you was SIMPLY to check what those so called "checks and balances" that you require are. It is not me who talks about them al lthe time... it is you. Besides I have nothing to propose for any checks and balances that are already parts of any True and Democratic Federation all over the world.
In the end I discovered that those "checks and balances" you were talking about were not actually "checks and balances" but simply undemocratic racist and fascist laws.

As for what I wrote that you chose to copy-paste out of context,
The first time when I said "UNFORTUNATELY ANY SOLUTION HAS A RISK BOTH SIDES" I was referring to the case that the SOLUTION would work
The second time that I said "The ones who run the biggest risk in case of a solution are the GCs. You run no absolutely risk,the worst that would happen to the TCs is just return to todays situation." was referring to the case where the solution would COLLAPSE.
So absolutely no condradiction you were simply comparing apples with oranges.

Besides a)what was the point of discussion the risks involved or your so called "checks and balances"?
b)why did you remove the second part from my sentence? To blur the issue once again?

In a nutshell I don't consider you a worthy person to discuss anymore.
You are just too confused, and too propagandist.
At least lordo cocuk is more clear, like every every other cocuk, all he knows is cursing me to have a snake bite my tongue

[Pyrpolizer]

vp bosuna bas girang bu pezzevenginan gavole brak genni.

ururme

[Viewpoint]

Firstly you are not a TC, we all know this so there is no need to keep up this lie.

Secondly no contradiction just common sense, you are a person who wants to sell us out, so your plan proposal was just that a sell out plan which got no support and was rejected by me, but my plan was one that stopped your sell out ideology therefore you rejected it, only natural for someone who has the best interests of only the Gcs at heart, you could not do anything else....now if you agreed with me I would start to get suspicious that maybe my plan was playing into your hands of sell out the TCs, so you rejecting my plan only shows that it is the best way forward for the TCs.

As for Pyro he could not hack it he had no answers thats why he backed out, how can you debate with inconsistency just read his responses he claims we are all at risk then continues to say we TC are not at risk when commiting to s olution, once he understood that he could not provide answers, contribute or be constructive he backed out, simple as that.

Actually Kikapu has proved that your proposal gives all governing power to the GCs hence it will not be approved by the TCs themselves on the first place. Still you insist that it's fine given the fact that you (personally) proposed it just to keep the current percentage of land.
So your hypocrisy is evident.

On the other hand my discussion with you was SIMPLY to check what those so called "checks and balances" that you require are. It is not me who talks about them al lthe time... it is you. Besides I have nothing to propose for any checks and balances that are already parts of any True and Democratic Federation all over the world.
In the end I discovered that those "checks and balances" you were talking about were not actually "checks and balances" but simply undemocratic racist and fascist laws.

As for what I wrote that you chose to copy-paste out of context,
The first time when I said "UNFORTUNATELY ANY SOLUTION HAS A RISK BOTH SIDES" I was referring to the case that the SOLUTION would work
The second time that I said "The ones who run the biggest risk in case of a solution are the GCs. You run no absolutely risk,the worst that would happen to the TCs is just return to todays situation." was referring to the case where the solution would COLLAPSE.
So absolutely no condradiction you were simply comparing apples with oranges.

Besides a)what was the point of discussion the risks involved or your so called "checks and balances"?
b)why did you remove the second part from my sentence? To blur the issue once again?

In a nutshell I don't consider you a worthy person to discuss anymore.
You are just too confused, and too propagandist.
At least lordo cocuk is more clear, like every every other cocuk, all he knows is cursing me to have a snake bite my tongue

You can twist and turn all you like people are not stupid as soon as you came face to face with proposals outside of your box you started like Kikapooo to bark, it rattles your cage to read another persons viewpoint, you are against "checks and balances" because you do not want to commit, conform or have to abide by the consequences, this shows you do not trust your own side and feel that they would soon renege on any new solution. I am clear as a bell its you that is confused contradictory, you show that you experience problems understanding that you have to take into consideration the other sides demands, you are now allowed to brush them to one side and ignore them...they do not go away, they just increase in size return and slap you in the face.

[Maximus]

you have problems understanding that your viewpoint is wrong, false, illegal, discriminatory, racist, backwards, divisive, a cause for further tensions and problems. You just talk sh*t VP.

[Viewpoint]

you have problems understanding that your viewpoint is wrong, false, illegal, discriminatory, racist, backwards, divisive, a cause for further tensions and problems. You just talk sh*t VP.

Coming from my enemy thats a compliment.