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[Viewpoint]

Yet another joke thread Fred.

The AP was illegal, number 6 will have to be very different to adhere to international law.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annan_Plan_for_Cyprus
Against the plan
"I consider the Annan plan to be fundamentally flawed. To put it in common language I consider that plan to be a non-starter. It is so incompatible with international law and international human rights norms that it is nothing less than shocking that the organisation would bend to political pressure and political interest on the part of my country of nationality [the USA] and Great Britain, in order to cater for the interests of a NATO partner.... I think it is not salvageable, quite honestly. I think it cannot be saved, and if it were saved I think it would be a major disservice not only to the Cypriot people but a disservice to international law; because everything that we at the UN have tried to build over 60 years, the norms of international law that have emerged in international treaties, in resolutions of the Security Council, would be weakened if not made ridiculous by an arrangement that essentially ignores them, makes them irrelevant or acts completely against the letter and spirit of those treaties and resolutions." Alfred de Zayas, a leading expert in the field of human rights, as well as a former high-ranking United Nations official.[63

How much was this guy paid?

[Maximus]

The articles says a lot of things that could possibly happen possibly not.
In my opinion nothing will change as long as Eroglu is the leader in the occupied.
Even if someone like Talat or similar comes to power there's still the obstacle of Turkey.

Talat was and is over-rated, he would run off to Ankara for instructions every other week.

A weakling and politician of little conviction despite the promises.

Are you still here bill, man you a very thick skinned why dont you FO to you own country and leave our alone, you have absolutely no right to meddle in our affairs.

BUT, Turkey meddles in everyone else affairs and look what she has caused. if we dont in turn have the right to be concerned and to meddle in her affairs then she has no right seeking membership in OUR block, let alone complain about not being accepted just on her terms.

Turkey runs an elite hypocrisy.

[Viewpoint]

Turkey is not an EU country just like south Cyprus, neither should be allowed into a club which is crumbling. Turkey is not stupid she has to keep up the charade of being seen to want entry to keep foreign investment flowing into her economy.

[Maximus]

This charade has the potential to back fire though VP, when those that feed her catch on that they have just been taken for the greater fool.

[Pyrpolizer]

Turkey is not an EU country just like south Cyprus, neither should be allowed into a club which is crumbling. Turkey is not stupid she has to keep up the charade of being seen to want entry to keep foreign investment flowing into her economy.

Foreign investment flowed for 2 reasons
a)Because currently Turkey has cheap labour
b)Turkey completed the chapters regarding free movement and no taxation of goods.

For your information most of the EU investments went to Poland, Romania, and other ex Eastern Countries.Turkey got a share also.Her only chance to continue getting investment is to remain a country with low wages because this investment is mostly factories. They can be dismantled and move elsewhere within days...
So getting EU investment helps the people improve their standard of living. However at the same time the state loses taxes, and runs the risk of losing that investment when the standard of living and cost of labour rises. This happens suddenly and will cause huge unemployment. So when this happens-and it will happen eventually if Turkey stays out of the EU

a)The Turkish people will not have the option to migrate to Europe to survive
b)The Turkish State will not get any help from the EU.

So Turkey cannot play this game for too long...it has to join the EU someday or at least get a special relation, or else...

[Maximus]

or else do nothing and continue or get accepted into the "shanghai five".

following her historical performance it could potentially become 5-10 Turkish (new) Lira to the euro in the next 10-20 years.

[Pyrpolizer]

All the foreign investment Turkey got was because the chapters on Free movement of goods, free movement of capital and chapter on Company law were allowed by the RoC to proceed and Turkey was fully ready and already aligned fully to the Aquis from as early as 2006
While the foreign investment in Turkey definitely helped the country increase it's Standard of living, it is a short term earning for a period of say about 20 years, before the factories start moving in other/cheaper countries nearby (south Russia for example)

What will actually save Turkey is the chapter on Energy, and the chapter of transport which of course the good little RoC has frozen from 2006. Turkey is really desperate to open those chapters because she knows what they mean.However CHAPTERS FROZEN.

In a nutshell if Turkey continues playing this game hoping she will be getting investment for ever and that she already earned from this game she is TOTALLY WRONG.

Turkey HAS TO SOLVE the Cyprus problem to get the most important chapters open, that will give her long term prosperity either she joins the EU or simply gets a special relation.

OR ELSE...

[Jerry]

Yet another joke thread Fred.

The AP was illegal, number 6 will have to be very different to adhere to international law.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annan_Plan_for_Cyprus
Against the plan
"I consider the Annan plan to be fundamentally flawed. To put it in common language I consider that plan to be a non-starter. It is so incompatible with international law and international human rights norms that it is nothing less than shocking that the organisation would bend to political pressure and political interest on the part of my country of nationality [the USA] and Great Britain, in order to cater for the interests of a NATO partner.... I think it is not salvageable, quite honestly. I think it cannot be saved, and if it were saved I think it would be a major disservice not only to the Cypriot people but a disservice to international law; because everything that we at the UN have tried to build over 60 years, the norms of international law that have emerged in international treaties, in resolutions of the Security Council, would be weakened if not made ridiculous by an arrangement that essentially ignores them, makes them irrelevant or acts completely against the letter and spirit of those treaties and resolutions." Alfred de Zayas, a leading expert in the field of human rights, as well as a former high-ranking United Nations official.[63

How much was this guy paid?

You just can't accept the truth, can you V?. These people also questioned the legality of the AP.

International Group of Legal Experts (Andreas Auer, Switzerland, Professor of Constitutional Law, University of Geneva; Mark Bossuyt, Belgium, Professor of International Law, University of Antwerp; Peter T. Burns, Canada, Former Dean of the UBC Law Faculty, Professor of Law, University of British Columbia, Vancouver; Alfred de Zayas, USA, Geneva School of Diplomacy, Former Secretary, UN Human Rights Committee; Silvio-Marcus Helmons, Belgium, Emeritus Professor of Université Catholique de Louvain, Public International Law and Human Rights; George Kasimatis, Greece, Emeritus Professor of University of Athens, Constitutional Law, Honorary President of the International Association of Constitutional Law; Dieter Oberndörfer, Germany, Professor Emeritus, Political Science, University of Freiburg; Malcolm N. Shaw QC, UK, The Sir Robert Jennings Professor of International Law, University of Leicester

[DT.]

Turkey has been experiencing a great deal of growth, however it is domestically fed. Mostly down to its own demographic numbers and profile (high birth rate, young population) Considering that its largest city accepts 500,000 new immigrants a year from the rest of Turkey this would be enough to push both property, utilities and other industries in a upward trajectory. Turkey does however have one serious problem, it is projecting a power blackout in 2016 where demand will exceed supply of power. This explains why renewables are now being fast tracked (Hydro and Biomass mostly) and why the dependency on oil and gas imports will need to be somehow shaken off. Easier said than done though.

There is little chance of renewables catching up with the demand regardless of how many subsidies the Turkish government offers up and how attractive these investments are for private equity funds right now...the country's only hope will be to increase gas and oil imports (explains the look eastward to Iraq and Iran as alternatives) unless it somehow strikes gold and finds its own source of gas (explains its aggressive attitude to Cypriot EEZ plots).

The way I see it, Turkey will use all means necessary to pressure the next Cypriot government into a solution where
1) The gas is piped through Turkey into Europe
2) A co-ownership clause is included in the new agreement.

As far as Cypriot governments that can strike a deal go...Anastasiades would be in a position to negotiate such a deal and get it signed, Lilikas will object and Malas and his party need to experience Spanish inquisition type torture so I won't even comment about them.

These 2 points are our leverage over Turkey, not the EU.

P.S once again I doubt whats good for the TC's is being at all considered by Turkey if it means energy independence.

As we say in Cyprus Ta alla oulla en pellares

[Lordo]

Yet another joke thread Fred.

The AP was illegal, number 6 will have to be very different to adhere to international law.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annan_Plan_for_Cyprus
Against the plan
"I consider the Annan plan to be fundamentally flawed. To put it in common language I consider that plan to be a non-starter. It is so incompatible with international law and international human rights norms that it is nothing less than shocking that the organisation would bend to political pressure and political interest on the part of my country of nationality [the USA] and Great Britain, in order to cater for the interests of a NATO partner.... I think it is not salvageable, quite honestly. I think it cannot be saved, and if it were saved I think it would be a major disservice not only to the Cypriot people but a disservice to international law; because everything that we at the UN have tried to build over 60 years, the norms of international law that have emerged in international treaties, in resolutions of the Security Council, would be weakened if not made ridiculous by an arrangement that essentially ignores them, makes them irrelevant or acts completely against the letter and spirit of those treaties and resolutions." Alfred de Zayas, a leading expert in the field of human rights, as well as a former high-ranking United Nations official.[63

How much was this guy paid?

You just can't accept the truth, can you V?. These people also questioned the legality of the AP.

International Group of Legal Experts (Andreas Auer, Switzerland, Professor of Constitutional Law, University of Geneva; Mark Bossuyt, Belgium, Professor of International Law, University of Antwerp; Peter T. Burns, Canada, Former Dean of the UBC Law Faculty, Professor of Law, University of British Columbia, Vancouver; Alfred de Zayas, USA, Geneva School of Diplomacy, Former Secretary, UN Human Rights Committee; Silvio-Marcus Helmons, Belgium, Emeritus Professor of Université Catholique de Louvain, Public International Law and Human Rights; George Kasimatis, Greece, Emeritus Professor of University of Athens, Constitutional Law, Honorary President of the International Association of Constitutional Law; Dieter Oberndörfer, Germany, Professor Emeritus, Political Science, University of Freiburg; Malcolm N. Shaw QC, UK, The Sir Robert Jennings Professor of International Law, University of Leicester

after the second world war, the land agreement between russia poland and germany was the same accepted by all. your problem is you think you have won in 74 and dictate terms. guess what shall i tell you........