Kikapu wrote:Viewpoint wrote:Now we appear to be getting somewhere, you have accepted that there should be an inbuilt checks and balances with 2 + 2 votes, needing an overall majority of 3 to pass laws at the federal level that will in effect both states.
This system is the same as having eg 30 seats from each and placing a minimum votes required form each state eg 15 to pass a bill at the federal level, the TCs support this its the GCs that oppose it, so in reality we now understand that its the GCs that oppose "true democracy true federation blah blah blah"
Not necessarily. If one state votes for a bill with 30 votes and the other state has 30 votes against the bill, then the bill can still pass or fail with a single vote from the vice president who in effect is a tie breaker. If the president agrees with the vice president's tie breaking vote, then the bill is passed or failed, which ever the case may be. You don't need to have a minimum votes from each state to vote for any bill. You just need a majority to pass/fail a bill.
I can assure you, neither the north state or the south state will vote in blocks as you imagine, because not everyone in your 30 seats per state scenario are on the same ideology or from the same party or from the same ethnic group, because the bills are not going to be based on GCs vs. TCs issues, because any bill that violates the Federal Laws or the constitution will be rejected either before the bill is submitted or after the vote has been taken, assuming it will even get approved. The system has plenty of "Checks & Balances" without you wanting a system where it will create a grid log in the voting system at the Federal level. Once again, most of the voting by 99% that affects each state will be voted within that state and not at the Federal level.
You would rather place the fate of a country in the hands of one individual rather than majorites, why give the president so much power it may work in the USA because 99.9% of the tıme bills are passed or scrapped when each 50 states uses its 2 votes...here in Cyprus we need minimums from each state to clearly see support for the bill and nothing is left to the chnace of just 1 individuals vote. To pass a bill the South state would need 31 votes which include 15 votes from the North state, this imo would provide the best checks and balances, dont forget that bills that would benefit the country as a whole island will get the support in deserves and anything that is shady will not, what is your fear?
This would also have a dual effect firstly of a strong check and balance and a desire to consult and persuade both states that everyone will benefit thus drumming up support, your method would be open to manipulation 30 votes for enosis and the GC president breaks the deadlock by voting in favor and we are back to square one, shit all over....no thanks.
