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[Pyrpolizer]

1) 19 tons of FUEL per hour is not the same as 8561 tons of WATER per hour.

2)Nothing has changed from 1944 to date about the FACTS concerning the pressures required (to have certain flow rate) and the

strength, diameter,and wall thickness of the pipe to be used to carry it safely.

3)You need additional pressure within the pipeline. There will be NO BALANCE with the outside pressure. If you have a pressure loss

of 5m/km to have the water moving this means you must have an additional extra pressure inside the pipes of at least 40

atmospheres/bars. That's not the real problem though.

4)The biggest problem are the AIR TRAPS within the pipes.Those air traps (do an experiment with your garden hose partially filled

with air) behave like air guns multiplying the existing pressure. They will cause the whole 81 Km of pipeline bursting and shaking like

an automatic military riffle. And yes this phenomenon will crash the pipes "of the temin su projesi" within a day starting from the points

the pipes will be joined together.

5)The proposed Turkish design to lay the pipes at a fixed depth of 250m below sea level , will actually increase the AIR TRAPS

phenomenon.

6)The proposed type of HDPE pipes are totally unsuitable for the process of laying them undersea.

7)No respectable Engineering firm, and no contractor will ever accept to guarantee the success of such a project. And no

Government will ever accept to spend so much money without a guarantee.

Everything is just an advertisement for the masses.
The whole project is impossible to materialize the way they said they would. Some other design is required. And even that should be

accompanied by a cost analysis concerning building-running and maintaining the system. Have they done such thing? No! Have they

seen a cost analysis proving that the cost for building-running and maintaining would be less than alternative methods? No!

So the conclusion is....??

[repulsewarrior]

...blimps, i tell you, something more fantastic than this "project of the century", is useful, what with the need for heavy-lift capacity beyond the Sikorsky helicopter. blimps to carry water, rather than boats (what is the obvious), and a market that leaves a Turkish technology way ahead worldwide, on many of the world's great engineering feats.

;;;but i am just a dreamer, and only kidding. the water from this pipe will solve no problems so long as the water itself is not managed in a manner where, as a resource, it is finite, and valuable beyond it being a possession.

[Pyrpolizer]

Where is the cost analysis for blimps?

[repulsewarrior]

http://www.gizmag.com/hybrid-air-vehicl ... hip/19746/

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/28 ... _oilsands/

http://jalopnik.com/5980630/new-colossa ... e-airships

http://skylifter.com.au/

...just a few hits from google.

[Flying Horse]

http://famagusta-gazette.com/turkish-pi ... 655-69.htm

[Pyrpolizer]

http://famagusta-gazette.com/turkish-pipeline-to-pump-water-to-north-cyprus-from-july-p22655-69.htm

"He noted that one of the problems is the necessary sewage water network for gathering the waste and leakage water and the fact that half of this installation has not been built yet.
He said that these issues should be settled before the water from Turkey comes to the island."

Conclusion: Excuses upon excuses

[Pyrpolizer]

http://www.gizmag.com/hybrid-air-vehicles-airship/19746/

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/28 ... _oilsands/

http://jalopnik.com/5980630/new-colossa ... e-airships

http://skylifter.com.au/

...just a few hits from google.

Is that all my friend? Now in your own words please. What's the cost per ton of water using blips?

Clue from your links:
This versatility plus an ability to stay airborne for 21 days and a potential lifting capacity of up to 200 tonnes finally enabled HAV to win a US$517million contract (€370million)
Just tell me how many trips those blips will do within their 370 million Euro contract period

[repulsewarrior]

dude, if it is practical, so be it; now that you mention it, is it (water) cheaper than by boat?

...servicing off-shore rigs, and the transportation of heavy (large) objects, has few choices, i suggest that this technology has been for a long time ignored.

[Pyrpolizer]

RW in all this discussion you gave me the impression that you think that what is needed is just a few glasses of water for a dying from thirst population. If this was the case then ANYTHING could be used no matter of what the cost. This is NOT the case however!!

I believe I gave the costs in previous posts
Desalination costs about 2 Euros per ton.
Rainwater costs about 0.10 Euros per ton (to have it delivered for agricultural purposes) and around 0.30 Euros/ton to deliver it drinkable to homes.The whole problem is that we don't have enough rainwater here in Cyprus.
Carrying it via vessels (from Greece) costed us around 5 Euros per ton, I would estimate about 2 Euros/ton to carry it from Turkey.

Now to your bllmps option:The lifting gas (helium) costs around 4 Euros per liter in compressed liquid form. It will produce about 25L gas.
Now have a look here:
http://rosaerosystems.com/aero/obj20

You need 450 m3 helium gas to just lift 80 Kg (or 80 liters of water).That gas gets wasted every time the blip has to land. Do you have to be a rocket scientist to make the few calculations needed to realize that carrying it via blips would cost nearly 1 million !!!!!!!!!!!! Euros per ton

[bill cobbett]

RW in all this discussion you gave me the impression that you think that what is needed is just a few glasses of water for a dying from thirst population. If this was the case then ANYTHING could be used no matter of what the cost. This is NOT the case however!!

I believe I gave the costs in previous posts
Desalination costs about 2 Euros per ton.
Rainwater costs about 0.10 Euros per ton (to have it delivered for agricultural purposes) and around 0.30 Euros/ton to deliver it drinkable to homes.The whole problem is that we don't have enough rainwater here in Cyprus.
Carrying it via vessels (from Greece) costed us around 5 Euros per ton, I would estimate about 2 Euros/ton to carry it from Turkey.

Now to your bllmps option:The lifting gas (helium) costs around 4 Euros per liter in compressed liquid form. It will produce about 25L gas.
Now have a look here:
http://rosaerosystems.com/aero/obj20

You need 450 m3 helium gas to just lift 80 Kg (or 80 liters of water).That gas gets wasted every time the blip has to land. Do you have to be a rocket scientist to make the few calculations needed to realize that carrying it via blips would cost nearly 1 million !!!!!!!!!!!! Euros per ton

Well, water from Turkey will most certainly arrive on July 20.

... but it won't be water that's being through a floating pipe-line.

It'll be water that's been transferred either in a tanker or towed across in huge water bags.

They'll be bands a-playing, flags a-flying, ribbons a-cutting, pompous speeches etc etc.

No expense will be spared to get a tanker of water to the Occupied Areas on the 20th, in another propaganda stunt.

As to the cost of water in the Free Areas, yes, 10c a tonne is what farmers are charged (and many will have their own boreholes where they can get it for zero with many, many unlicensed wells). Massively subsidised and although it's nice to help out farmers, what sort of farming does it encourage...???

We've all seen huge water sprinklers (think they're called Beckos) running for hours on a baking hot CY summer's day and what are they watering... the most pathetic crops of one inch high clover for cattle feed...!!!

Water management has a long way to go. ... and don't start me off on golf-courses on CY...!!!