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[Kikapu]

how we develop our water resources is up to us not you.

It's not up to you. It's up to Turkey. You have no say in anything that happens in the occupied areas.

This "project" is not for the TC's, its for Turkey and Firats commercial benefit.

This is propaganda to be used against the GC's by TC's and keeps them "interested" and under Turkeys spell.

It is also meant for Turkey to charge what ever it wants for the water from the TCs, and they will do so through the nose, just to milk the TCs dry.

It is also meant for Turkey to trade water for Gas with the RoC. The only problem for Turkey is, they haven't quiet figured out how to stop the rain and snow falling on Cyprus, to make the RoC become dependent on the water from Turkey.

But there's more bad news for Turkey, because now that everyone agrees that LNG plant will be built in the RoC, it will be shipped by sea and not by pipes through Turkey. Even Turkey would want to buy LNG, because it will be cheaper than directly coming from pipes from it's sources. The other bad news for Turkey would be that they will also lose their what ever geopolitical advantage they may have (if any) in the region by having gas pipes going through Turkey with less gas passing through, by Turkey receiving LNG from ships. Talk about Turkey being stuck between a Rock and a Hard place, or between an LNG plant and Gas Pipes.

Short-term LNG deals cut energy prices: Analysts

Easy transportation of liquefied natural gas (LNG) with ships enables countries to buy cheaper natural gas with short-term contracts, which would also be an opportunity for Turkey to reduce its energy spending.

Another energy analyst pointed out the flipside of the coin, noting LNG contracts would harm Turkey’s only upper hand in energy relationships: the geopolitical advantage. “If we switch to LNG, the idea of giving up pipeline gas in other words, it would take [away] our geopolitical dominance,” he said.
July/10/2013

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/short- ... sCatID=348

[Maximus]

It is also meant for Turkey to charge what ever it wants for the water from the TCs, and they will do so through the nose, just to milk the TCs dry.

exactly but that is IF the project materializes. Are you convinced that it will from what you have seen and read so far? I am not. Why is the video not of the real thing?.

It is also meant for Turkey to trade water for Gas with the RoC. The only problem for Turkey is, they haven't quiet figured out how to stop the rain and snow falling on Cyprus, to make the RoC become dependent on the water from Turkey.

Yes, I also think Turkey has "invented" a bargaining chip to rival the Republics gas exploration. but primarily to keep the TC's under her spell and to try and influence public opinion in the Republic. She is trying to manufacture a demand without recognising that the RoC does not need it or want to be dependent on Turkey for water, of all things. There are alternatives. Also, Turkey may think that this "invention" adds weight in negotiations so she can try to get what she wants without actually having the intention of delivering.

This all looks like an ill conceived scam to me.

[Maximus]

Short-term LNG deals cut energy prices: Analysts

Easy transportation of liquefied natural gas (LNG) with ships enables countries to buy cheaper natural gas with short-term contracts, which would also be an opportunity for Turkey to reduce its energy spending.

Another energy analyst pointed out the flipside of the coin, noting LNG contracts would harm Turkey’s only upper hand in energy relationships: the geopolitical advantage. “If we switch to LNG, the idea of giving up pipeline gas in other words, it would take [away] our geopolitical dominance,” he said.
July/10/2013

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/short- ... sCatID=348

whatever geopolitical advantage Turkey thinks she may garner from a gas pipeline going from Cyprus, through her territory and in to Europe is trumped by the RoC having an LNG plant as well. Even with a pipeline, the republic can turn off Turkeys tap and still deliver gas internationally. Now who is dependent on who? Its Cyprus that has the geopolitical dominance when it comes to this. This is why some actors are trying to rubbish the LNG plant. Its why they say that the pipeline is the ONLY option. They dont want Cyprus, a small country, to have the power but she is going to get it.

[Kikapu]

exactly but that is IF the project materializes. Are you convinced that it will from what you have seen and read so far? I am not. Why is the video not of the real thing?.

Personally, I think it's a scam, as the reasons why it is not shown to the world in "real time", but only in propaganda formats, much like what the Soviets and China use to do, and what North Korea still does today. It is all kept hidden until to be officially scrapped if the RoC does not fall into the scam to agree to share water for Gas with Turkey. As our good friend Pyro stated many times, that it's not that this water project cannot be achieved, because he believes it can be done, but at what cost. Moving water from A to B is the most expensive way of moving such huge volumes of very heavy element that is worth a fraction of Oil for example, specially when one can get water for free when it rains and snows.

[repulsewarrior]

...dude (@ vp), if you do a little search, you might find that water is precious everywhere (even though oil/gaz now sells at a higher price). the water Turkey takes as a source, is not free, and it is shared by others as well. poor management is evident, and entirely possible because it is not open; transparent because of the dialog in its creation. like the efforts in Cyprus itself, by the regime in the north, the risk is high in having the same disastrous results being no more than the plunder of a (assumed infinite) Natural Resource. when, or if this project is completed, there will be neighbouring countries who will react in their interest accordingly.

[Lordo]

and there you were telling us that they dont know what they were doing and that it was all pretend and it cannot be done.

well they decided it was too difficult to lay pipes in the sea in the winter so they will stop in october and start in april again completion date november 2014. you do realise that once this pipe is finished it is over dont you charluimmu.

http://haberkibris.com/turkiyeden-su-ro ... 07-12.html

[bill cobbett]

and there you were telling us that they dont know what they were doing and that it was all pretend and it cannot be done.

well they decided it was too difficult to lay pipes in the sea in the winter so they will stop in october and start in april again completion date november 2014. you do realise that once this pipe is finished it is over dont you charluimmu.

http://haberkibris.com/turkiyeden-su-ro ... 07-12.html

"kktc" Su Temin Projesi...

Twenty Years in the Fictitious Planning.

Twenty Years of Broken Promises.

Twenty Years of It'll Start Next Year.

The 'project of the century" that never starts This Year.



... and now the Mushrooms are believing it'll Stop in October....!!!... Stop what exactly...??? ... they haven't started on the imaginary cross-sea passage,...

... but it wouldn't occur to the Mushrooms that they can't stop something that no one in their right mind would actually start.

... and only an idiot would believe that a fictitious start was even contemplated in the Autumn and working through the Winter storms.

... but don't let a little common sense get in the way eh Lordo...!!!

[Kikapu]

and there you were telling us that they dont know what they were doing and that it was all pretend and it cannot be done.

well they decided it was too difficult to lay pipes in the sea in the winter so they will stop in october and start in april again completion date november 2014. you do realise that once this pipe is finished it is over dont you charluimmu.

http://haberkibris.com/turkiyeden-su-ro ... 07-12.html

Maybe you have forgotten, but man did land on the moon over 40 years ago, so many protects are possible. The question is is it worth the cost. As for this so callled water protect, so far there has been nothing transparrent to suggest it's for real but rather a fantasy talk, just like those did about going to the moon 100 years ago, but eventually, the moon fantasy was realised, because of hard work and Billions of dollars that went into the space program. So far all we have gotten for this so called water protect, is a lot of fantasy and propaganda, and if ever this project was to be realised, it will come at a cost as being the most expensive water in the world. That's what Pyro is saying, that's all.

Maybe you have forgotten, but man did land on the moon over 40 years ago, so many protects are possible. The question is, is it worth the cost? As for this so called water protect, so far there has been nothing transparent to suggest it's for real but rather a fantasy talk, just like those did about going to the moon 100 years ago, but eventually, the moon fantasy was realised, because of hard work and Billions of dollars that went into the space program. So far all we have gotten for this so called water protect, is a lot of fantasy and propaganda videos, and if ever this project was to be realised, it will come at a cost as being the most expensive water in the world. That's what Pyro is saying, that's all.

As far as for your comment about once the pipes are laid it is "over", is like saying once the Gas & Oil comes to the RoC, it is also "over".

So what you telling us, is that these brilliant people who designed this whole water project for years did not realise until NOW that in the winter, the seas gets very rough and that work cannot be done in the winter months.

Sounds to me like, the fantasy water project is delayed until next year because the negotiations are delayed until October the earliest. What a coincidence, huh?

Turkey wants to negotiate the fantasy water protect pipes to Cyprus with the RoC, in return for RoC's Gas pipes going through Turkey, except that, the Gas Pipes will go through Turkey first before any water pipes comes to Cyprus. I don't think the RoC will fall for that scam, do you?

[bill cobbett]

This appears today in adabasini...

A story which illustrates the conflict between the massive water needs of some kinds of tourism and environment when the water supply is severely limited, as well as the poor water management approach of the Propaganda Regime of "trnc".

Environmentalists are highlighting the devastating drop in water levels at at a lake in Occupied Akanthou, at some times drying up completely. This naturally leads to loss of habitat for various water-living species.

The cause of the problem...???

...over-abstraction from the aquifer to water a golf-course at Occupied Agios Amvrosios, Occupied Kyrenia District.

This course has a watering requirement of 1,500 tonnes a day...!!!... which ordinarily is sufficient to meet the needs of 12,000 people.

A little something from adabasini for turkish-speakers and a picky...

..."Su yağmasına ve doğal yaşam hakkına saldırıya son!

"Güzel konumu, doğası, özel ayrıcalıklı değerleri ile Dünyanın kıskandığı adamızda ne yazık çevresel değerler, doğa ve doğal yaşam, yaptığımız yanlışlar nedeni ile büyük yaralar almaktadır. İnsan faaliyetleri her şeyin üstünde tutularak yapılan her ne varsa çevremizi ve doğal dengeleri bozmaya devam etmektedir. Göreceli üstün zenginliklerimizi ve adamızda eşi benzeri olmayan güzellikleri görmezden gelmek bir yana, bunları hiçe sayan, yıkıcı, zorlama turizm modelleri kıt kaynaklarımızı da hızla yok etmektedir.

Esentepe bölgesinde kurulan “golf sahası”nın 2007 yılında çimlendirilmesi ile birlikte ortaya çıkan büyük su talebi, son yıllarda giderek hat safhaya ulaşmıştır. Bir günde, 12 bin kişinin asgari günlük kullanım suyuna denk gelen, en az 1500 ton su ihtiyacı bulunan bu tesis, sözleşmesinde yer aldığı gibi suyunu denizden sağlamayı bırakmış, öncelikle yanıbaşındaki Alagadi Çiftlikdere Göleti’ndeki suyu kullanmaya başlamıştır..."

[bill cobbett]

Oh ... and the picky below appears in several papers in "trnc" today.

The alleged "kktc" Su Temin Projesi" is claimed to cost 500 Million US Dollars.

This is what you get for that phantom 1000 Million TL from the Regime of "trnc", the Regime which can't pay its electricity bills...

A man with a digger moving rubble, presumably at the dam at Occupied Panagra...