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[kurupetos]

get a life charluimu nobody cares other than a few arse licking fanatics of yours.

BillC a fanatic?

[-mikkie2-]

Hello Kikapu,

I have also closely looked at the video. In my opinion, the bit of video that you mention that shows the turkish flag fluttering in the wind is actually a real video clip. I have worked in the broadcast industry for quite a few years and what you see is artefacts of the image compression process. Its definitely not photoshopped in. The givaway for me is the sea. If you look at it closely, it does actually move. As the water is shallow and the area is enclosed, the waves are tiny. Also there is a Turkish flag waving about on the boat. Its faint, but its there. Also the following clip is a real video. The sea on the right is not damed in so the water is more exposed to the wind and hence why the waves are obvious. On the left, because the area is damed and there are pipes everywhere, you will not get any waves. The water will be calmer.

The question that should really be asked is, is this area the area they say it is?

Also, lets think a little logically. How is the water going to be transported? Is it going to rely on gravity? I doubt it. They will need to construct a massive pumping station in order to pump that much water through these massive pipes. In addition, the length of the pipes will be a problem. The longer the pipeline, the more frictional forces the pumps will need to overcome. If the pipes are going to be 100m below sea level, these pumps will need a power station to keep them going!

[Kikapu]

Hello Kikapu,

I have also closely looked at the video. In my opinion, the bit of video that you mention that shows the turkish flag fluttering in the wind is actually a real video clip. I have worked in the broadcast industry for quite a few years and what you see is artefacts of the image compression process. Its definitely not photoshopped in. The givaway for me is the sea. If you look at it closely, it does actually move. As the water is shallow and the area is enclosed, the waves are tiny. Also there is a Turkish flag waving about on the boat. Its faint, but its there. Also the following clip is a real video. The sea on the right is not damed in so the water is more exposed to the wind and hence why the waves are obvious. On the left, because the area is damed and there are pipes everywhere, you will not get any waves. The water will be calmer.

The question that should really be asked is, is this area the area they say it is?

Also, lets think a little logically. How is the water going to be transported? Is it going to rely on gravity? I doubt it. They will need to construct a massive pumping station in order to pump that much water through these massive pipes. In addition, the length of the pipes will be a problem. The longer the pipeline, the more frictional forces the pumps will need to overcome. If the pipes are going to be 100m below sea level, these pumps will need a power station to keep them going!

Hello mikkie2,

You cannot deny that almost all of this video is made of still pictures, because nothing is moving except for one person, a flag and some wave action. I appreciate the fact that water will be calmer in an enclosed area of the harbour, but when the flag on the small boat is flapping in the wind like crazy, you should have at least some ripples on the water. I spent 3 days on my sailboat in the middle of the Pacific ocean between Hawaii and California one time when we hit by the Pacific High pressure, where there was not a drop of wind and the whole ocean was smooth as glass without a ripple, but the moment there was a little fluff of wind, a teaser really, there would be some ripples in the water for brief time. Not enough to push the boat however. Two lady crew members went for a skinny dipping. Brave of them really, considering "Jaws". We only traveled about 70 Nautical miles in 3 days, all with the help of the Ocean currents. The point being, what we see is not a live video of events but video of still pictures. The flapping flag in my opinion was added to give some life to the video. That can very easily be done to give that illusion.

Even if we take the part you are talking about at face value where a person is walking and there is some wave action on the right side because it is open to the sea, only few seconds earlier the same person was "frozen" and nothing was moving. Something fishy going on there. But look at the video at 1 min 15 sec. and so you will see that even the waves are "frozen" o the left side of the picture. Sorry my friend, but the whole video has been manipulated in one way or the other. Why would they make a video of this project from still pictures? Why not do a live pictures with an open mike to catch the wind noise and noises from other activities. Why isn't there any commentary. Where are the people working on this site. Why isn't anything moving? and on and on.

You make good points on the power needing to force the water to move along 70 kms at 250 meter below the sea level.

Maybe they believe in the old myth, that when going from North to South direction, it is all downhill!

[Lordo]

Hello Kikapu,

I have also closely looked at the video. In my opinion, the bit of video that you mention that shows the turkish flag fluttering in the wind is actually a real video clip. I have worked in the broadcast industry for quite a few years and what you see is artefacts of the image compression process. Its definitely not photoshopped in. The givaway for me is the sea. If you look at it closely, it does actually move. As the water is shallow and the area is enclosed, the waves are tiny. Also there is a Turkish flag waving about on the boat. Its faint, but its there. Also the following clip is a real video. The sea on the right is not damed in so the water is more exposed to the wind and hence why the waves are obvious. On the left, because the area is damed and there are pipes everywhere, you will not get any waves. The water will be calmer.

The question that should really be asked is, is this area the area they say it is?

Also, lets think a little logically. How is the water going to be transported? Is it going to rely on gravity? I doubt it. They will need to construct a massive pumping station in order to pump that much water through these massive pipes. In addition, the length of the pipes will be a problem. The longer the pipeline, the more frictional forces the pumps will need to overcome. If the pipes are going to be 100m below sea level, these pumps will need a power station to keep them going!

you are wrong, gravity can be used and the it is only the pressure difference between inside and outside of the pipe which is significant assuming that they will not bury it under the sea bed. it is doable, of that there is no doubt. it makes no difference how long the pipe is what makes a difference how high the dam is.

[-mikkie2-]

Hi Kikapu,

Well, yes, most of it is still pictures I agree. You would have thought that this sort of project would be high profile and possibly a world first but I would guess that reflects how strongly they feel it will succeed!

Is there any work in Cyprus going with this project? I assume there must be a large site somewhere to receive all this water. Are any reservoirs being built for example? Can any of our TC friends confirm or have pictures of these works on the island? If they are expecting water to be arriving by the end of the year, then one would assume these works on the island would be in full flow as it were.

[Viewpoint]

Everything is under control, the development in the TRNC is also progressing.

[kimon07]

Hold on a minute, remind me why are you people so concerned and what it has to do with you exactly?

Sorry, but can you put the other VP back on please, the one we were speaking to this morning...

And your answer is? shouldnt you be more concerned with your own country?

Cyprus IS my own country. Vlax.

[Lordo]

was boy was is the tense. now only south cyprus and if you are not careful you will lose that too. and of course it is now illegal to call ercan ercan. big wow.

[Viewpoint]

Water is on course to arrive next year.

[bill cobbett]

Water is on course to arrive next year.

Yes... of course it is ...

"kktc'ye su temin projesi", the "project of the century" to bring water to "kktc" has been delayed already this year... we have been given a start date of August for the cross-sea part ...

... so just three weeks to go before we get another announcement of a delay in the start of the cross-sea passage ... prob 'til next year...