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[Pyrpolizer]

But I accepted what you have been saying that there is no water project and that no water will arrive its all a hoax, isnt that what you wanted to read? please make up your mind.

No VP, the purpose of the discussions was NOT to make YOU accept our conclusion. The purpose was to investigate the matter and help each other with our information in finding answers.

I am still puzzled though. Our tongues grew hair in trying to prove you that this project is a hoax without any success from our end. Then from one day to another you came back and admitted everything. How come you changed your mind so suddenly? I bet someone not Greek convinced you .Because we "Greeks" are all liars and cannot be trusted.
So who was it VP?

I prefer to wait and see not playing your stupid games.

You already admitted is a hoax VP. Not in one post but many.
Your proposal to "wait and see" was much older.
Nobody forced you to continue talking if you didn't have anything else to say other than "wait and see".

So who/what changed your mind all of a sudden, actually which Turk finally told you the truth?

[Viewpoint]

Your right Ill bow out of this thread not that I believe that Turkey is lieing but I don't want to debate with people who know nothing about this water project and will look like idiots when the water starts flowing into the TRNC.

[Pyrpolizer]

we will have to wait a year to know the absolute truth, but the real problem is a critical lack of water.

...whereas the project was meant to create a level playing field when it comes to negociations between the adversaries north and south, it has created an even more skewed situation. clearly Turkey is to blame if this is all a lie. my question is whether people like vp will reconsider their total loyalty to a regime that has failed them so badly; what will they do?

You have to read between the lines RW.
One of the reasons VP wants a solution is the same like the majority of Kibrislis: to get rid of the Turks and their lies and the "all for their own interests" mentality.

Where did I ever say or support your claims?

You never did and never will.
I don't mean to play the wise guy, but I can read you like an open book VP.

How? do you have super powers? cause it aint working.

It works for everybody VP. You wrote thousands of posts, I did the same as well, you don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure out some things even some secrets. I am sure you can read me like an open book too

[Pyrpolizer]

Your right Ill bow out of this thread not that I believe that Turkey is lieing but I don't want to debate with people who know nothing about this water project and will look like idiots when the water starts flowing into the TRNC.

Some people never change. VP-4-ever

[Viewpoint]

I dont have super powers like you but we have been debating on a better level than we did in the past but lately you have been reverting back to the bad old days. All i know is that we will never see a solution in our lifetime because every year that passes we have seen the chasm of differences grow wider and wider.

[Pyrpolizer]

I dont have super powers like you but we have been debating on a better level than we did in the past but lately you have been reverting back to the bad old days. All i know is that we will never see a solution in our lifetime because every year that passes we have seen the chasm of differences grow wider and wider.

Respect is one thing and debating is another.
I don't think I disrespect you when i question your sudden change of stance.
Actually you are the one who disrespects everybody by saying:

Your right Ill bow out of this thread not that I believe that Turkey is lieing but I don't want to debate with people who know nothing about this water project and will look like idiots when the water starts flowing into the TRNC.

Now who is the one who knows nothing about this project, who provided absolutely no evidence other that "firm beleif" and who in the end will look like idiot, is another matter.

[repulsewarrior]

i am not so hasty Pyrpolizer, it would be nice, with China and Germany, that Turkey demonstrates this possibility for water as a resource; daring, so simple. what as a result of success, this may demonstrate a great understanding of their(Erdogan) respect for those who want water, at least tempered by choosing to act collectively (maybe on a bigger plan).

...i know, too hopeful, or like i said a world of surprises (dear me i just thought, i sound like vp), it's just a poor PR job.

...my only hope, is that in a year, Cypriots will not fear thirst. and in my worst nightmare, when the sea is acidified, and there are 12 million, this island has as an ethnography far more complex than just Greek, or Turk (as well as Maronite, Armenian, and Latin), hell why not the Brits as a Constituency (and the French, and the Jews), because as Cypriots in a Unified State they can prosper equally as Persons as well. winds of the Sahara and water rising, a little jewel because of pipelines as these, (and lol seriously, the Wall of Gibraltar), fighting (i did say this was a nightmare) Climate Change, one Cyprus at least.

[Pyrpolizer]

Reh RW how old were you when you left Cyprus? I get the feeling you know nothing about the place- just imagine things.
We are no Sahara here my friend. Nobody ever got thirsty because of lack of water nobody ever had no water to take a bath or do his laundry.
There is enough water from rain and snow in our dams and water wells both in the free areas as well as in the occupied to cover these needs.
The water problem in Cyprus concerns AGRICULTURE. In the free areas we have all our dams connected and we have the Southern Conveyor that carries water for agriculture everywhere in the free areas. We give all our SURPLUS water to Agriculture.
Agriculture was (50 years ago) contributing 20% to the GNP. Today it's only 3-5%. It's not a very important factor, but still we provide our agriculturists with the water they need.

It is the same in the occupied. However the reason they need this SURPLUS water from TURKEY is not to satisfy their basic needs. It is to provide it for agriculture to settlers so that they increase their numbers. Because those settlers know of nothing else to make a living.

Nothing really to do with the Cypriot people as you imagine it.

[repulsewarrior]

reh Pyrpoliser, have you looked at the global challenge of Climate Change, and how that will affect Cyprus?

...beside the fear we have for the Karpas because of the reasons you stated, there is a future that may be something we should be preparing for. indeed, if the plan should succeed, Cyprus may well be a place where the importance of agriculture will increase. you deny my speculation about the island's population, (the long run: over 200 years), modest increases in population growth, trends which will become more apparent if the EU survives its advent, and the hope that we as a Human Race can stem the suffering from Hunger and Disease in Africa, never mind Peace in the Middle East, we can ignore what Mother Earth does herself, but, we cannot ignore, (each other), the Social-Economic progress that is occurring, and which Cyprus is a part of.

this pipeline is important, no doubt. i think the fear should be that it is too easy to use it as a weapon, against each other, rather than the real enemies, of Mankind. is it plunder once again to benefit only few.

...i think it has everything to do with Cypriots, and it is another reason why Cyprus comes first. as its Steward, there is a big difference between the Liberty involved in being Greek, (or not Greek), and Freedom, where at this moment, ours is dysfunctional. if this pipeline like others are to be built, as a crossroad, it seems that (for Cyprus) they are inevitable. at this (political) impasse they contain great opportunity, to say the least. Turkey wants to be first, not last, although crude in their external relations, they are hoping to influence trade in this manner, thus opening themselves to dialog in a wider context.

...imagine ENOSIS, when Greece and Turkey, Israel, Lebanon, Egypt, and Europe are joined, its the possibility where Cyprus is concerned.

[Pyrpolizer]

Your intentions are noble and humanitarian RW. Are you sure however Turkey thinks the same way?
Imo if they ever manage to complete that pipeline they will do it to increase the number of settlers and make SOLUTION IMPOSSIBLE which actually proved to be their scope in the last 38 years+