Cyprus-Forum.com

[Nikitas]

Found some tech details re this pipe. The sections joining the plastic bits are metal, and anchored to the sea floor with wire ropes. So it is not a suspended bridge. Again there is the matter of submarine navigation with two, presumably, wire ropes going from 250 meters below the surface to the sea bottom from each metal joint. There are many of these joints spanning the 80 kilometers of pipe. I wonder how this conforms to the law of the sea re navigation freedom on and under the high seas.

There are matters of mainetance of metal bits, the joints and wire ropes, in salt water. Presumably they solved those issues better than anyone else. A well maintained steel ship lasts about 25 years and it is on the surface and accessible to maintenance.

[-mikkie2-]

Simple answer Nikitas is that Turkey doesn't give a shit about the law of the sea or anything else for that matter. Who is going to stop them? We can only hope that their own incompetance may come back to haunt them on this. It may work for a short time and then when things start to go wrong we shall see how easy this pipe will be maintained. Lets not forget that this is a political excercise rathern than a technical one.

[bill cobbett]

An exclusive update from the respected Zizziro News Agency on the water storage in the dams of the Republic.

Today, storage of real water is just over 50%, cf with 51.5% on the same day last year, so with more rainy weather to come, last year's storage will be surpassed.

Meanwhile in the fairy-tale-world of Tergish/"trnc" endless promises after promises, the news from Turkey's Flop of the Century is that ... oh... there is no news.

No progress, still no tugs south of Anamur and the sea conditions have been flat and calm for days.

Are you getting the buckets and tanker ready for the opening ceremony brother Siglo ...???

[Lordo]

mavroyerimo naminis dje sigla na spasun basdin kellesu reh xerodjehalo

[Nikitas]

Mikkie,

I can discern the political significance of the "umbilical cord" exercise and what Davut openly discussed in Athens recently, the intent to exchange water for gas with the RoC. Still, to claim any political capital out of this "project of the century", the pipe has to work, at least leak if not gush some fresh water.

GR who is more technically minded than I am, insists that the water cannot travel 80 km at 250 meters depth, with an external pressure of 25 atmospheres without intermediate pumping stations. If that is true, then the contractors involved in this project will have a lot to answer for if the water stalls. It will be interesting to watch this.

You never know, it might turn out to be the biggest validation yet of desal technology LOL!!!

[repulsewarrior]

Intention is what needs to be seen. It remains something, other than a problem with water scarcity. The only vision is political, and given that the water comes from somewhere, shortsighted, too.

[Lordo]

Mikkie,

I can discern the political significance of the "umbilical cord" exercise and what Davut openly discussed in Athens recently, the intent to exchange water for gas with the RoC. Still, to claim any political capital out of this "project of the century", the pipe has to work, at least leak if not gush some fresh water.

GR who is more technically minded than I am, insists that the water cannot travel 80 km at 250 meters depth, with an external pressure of 25 atmospheres without intermediate pumping stations. If that is true, then the contractors involved in this project will have a lot to answer for if the water stalls. It will be interesting to watch this.

You never know, it might turn out to be the biggest validation yet of desal technology LOL!!!

if the external pressure in the pipe is 25 atmospheres and assuming the pipe is full of water as high as the full 250 meters then what is the pressure in the pipe. answer 25 atmospheres.

perhaps gr can stick to god and divinities and leave the transport of water to the scientists.

a living example:

The volume of flow there has been measured at 1,060,000,000 cubic feet (30,000,000 cubic metres) per second, or many hundreds of times that of the Mississippi River. As it turns north between Florida and the Bahamas, the Florida Current flows at a depth of some 2,600 feet (790 m) and then follows the continental slope beyond the edge of the shelf. Velocities gradually decrease to about one knot off Cape Hatteras.

imagine that, 790 meters deep, no pipe required and travels from gulf of mexico to north scotland. back to the drawing board

[-mikkie2-]

a living example:

The volume of flow there has been measured at 1,060,000,000 cubic feet (30,000,000 cubic metres) per second, or many hundreds of times that of the Mississippi River. As it turns north between Florida and the Bahamas, the Florida Current flows at a depth of some 2,600 feet (790 m) and then follows the continental slope beyond the edge of the shelf. Velocities gradually decrease to about one knot off Cape Hatteras.

imagine that, 790 meters deep, no pipe required and travels from gulf of mexico to north scotland. back to the drawing board

I see our resident imbecile is at it again.

The gulf stream has nothing to do with using garvity to transport water but everything to do with convection currents and the weather.

Perhaps this will enlighten you...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_Stream

[Lordo]

i will give you a clue, water from higher ground will always travel to the lover ground. get it gavole mavroyerimo naminede,

tell me mikie2 if the water hight inside the pipe is the same as the water hight in the sea is there a difference in their pressures.
where the hell did you go to school my friend.

just for you.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=bernoulli+equation&espv=2&biw=1280&bih=923&tbm=isch&imgil=w-MpT5ATqVTS6M%253A%253Bf6riFpfrVEhfHM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.engineeringtoolbox.com%25252Fbernouilli-equation-d_183.html&source=iu&pf=m&fir=w-MpT5ATqVTS6M%253A%252Cf6riFpfrVEhfHM%252C_&usg=__i2O6J2lUe8RQb_mp-SRrsV6_0jg%3D&ved=0CCgQyjc&ei=BwflVITJDsnoUvqJg5AP#imgdii=zvb-ryCZntWPFM%3A%3B8rdFpuToF8JFOM%3Bzvb-ryCZntWPFM%3A&imgrc=zvb-ryCZntWPFM%253A%3BtwIV9mELHojcdM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fimg.tfd.com%252Fggse%252F36%252Fgsed_0001_0003_0_img0387.png%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fencyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com%252FBernoulli's%252BEquation%3B242%3B267

here is another one. how they transfer water to the city from the mountain and its final speed as it reaches the city. notice no pumps are required.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=bernoulli+equation&espv=2&biw=1280&bih=923&tbm=isch&imgil=w-MpT5ATqVTS6M%253A%253Bf6riFpfrVEhfHM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.engineeringtoolbox.com%25252Fbernouilli-equation-d_183.html&source=iu&pf=m&fir=w-MpT5ATqVTS6M%253A%252Cf6riFpfrVEhfHM%252C_&usg=__i2O6J2lUe8RQb_mp-SRrsV6_0jg%3D&ved=0CCgQyjc&ei=BwflVITJDsnoUvqJg5AP#imgdii=_&imgrc=6mYqXcgE8K_5kM%253A%3B4xvnLq7idqXdcM%3Bhttps%253A%252F%252Fwww.teachengineering.org%252Fcollection%252Fcub_%252Flessons%252Fcub_bernoulli%252Fcub_bernoulli_lesson01_figure2web.jpg%3Bhttps%253A%252F%252Fwww.teachengineering.org%252Fview_lesson.php%253Furl%253Dcollection%252Fcub_%252Flessons%252Fcub_bernoulli%252Fcub_bernoulli_lesson01.xml%3B468%3B278

[-mikkie2-]

The example you gave previously was a false one. Get your facts straight when you try to prove a point.

Regarding your latest evidence, what you have to realise is that Bernuli's Equation does not take account of frictional losses that occur when water flows in a very long pipe. Once those frictional losses are taken into account things aren't as simple! The losses increase dramatically with distance and this is why it may be necessary to have pumps along the way. We are talking about an 80km pipe, not something that is a few km.