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[Paphitis]

BC the Barbaros is not surveying because it does not have to. The full surveys were sold to all interested parties by the Norwegian firm that carried out the surveys. It was easy for the Turks to get a copy of those surveys. The Barbaros is nowhere near as well equipped to survey as the Norwegian ships. This is just a show.

And like you point out, assuming they take the charade to the extreme, and they do drill and do find gas, then what? They have not thought through their plan because they have a more immediate aim.. to create tension and then seek a deal to lessen it. They have already made their offer, we stop the drilling and they will pull out the ships. Only this time no one is biting. Bazaar mentality is OK for small things and small players, the big boys do not play. Even Israel does not have the technology to extract its gas and their rep is in Texas right now seeking partners. He gave an interview to the American press today.

The real players are here. the guys who have the means to extract the gas- the Americans, the Italians, the French, and the Koreans and the Turks are doing everything in their power to show them how unreliable they are as partners.

Again, all this would have been avoided if they had signed the law of the Sea Convention and were an equal party to the proceedings. They did not and now they are stuck with not a single friendly neighbor in the area. It is no accident that ALL other countries in the area are signatories to the Law of the Sea.

Davut saw the risk of the military ploy not working and he keeps repeating his water mantra. That the water is not just for the TCs and all that crap. But the water project is not panning out either, November is half way through and water yok. And they left it so late anyway that deal technology has become widespread in the south, every golf course has to have a unit to get a license. Nobody gives a stuff about water. For a strategic thinker he is not doing very well old Davut.

I agree Nikitas.

The Turks are in a difficult corner and it's all talk. Turkey is unable to stop the big players and the big players know that.

Once it starts getting serious, Turkey should expect a big bitch slap.

[Paphitis]

The solution is simple, but Turks pretend not to see it: they accept the Law of Sea and become members of the agreement for the gas. They already apply the Law of the Sea in the Black Sea, but they like to playact in the Mediterranean invoking the doctrine of the "closed sea" . You have to be a naive MF to believe that the Med is more closed than the Black Sea. Look at the map and figure.

The gas has already been earmarked by American companies like Halliburton and Noble, while French, Italian, Spanish and Korean firms are in the act too. It goes too far for the Turks to announce rules of engagement involving direct attacks against the installation of these companies. So they threaten that if they are attacked they will retaliate, BFD.

The missing part here is the TCs, who have kept their mouths hermetically shut. They know they will get more out of the gas if the RoC exploits it, and they know they will get sweet FA if Turkey gets its greedy hands on it. But none of their political "leaders" have the nerve to state the obvious.

The water is the bait in the idiot trap. Take some water and give me the gas is the ploy. And our resident chief propagandist is busy pushing the Turkish bait.

Nikita,

According to the new UN special wanker, oops representative mr Eide, it is not illegal for Turkish war ships to be in Cyprus EEZ.

He says the the waters are not terrotorial and that at any time warships will be in someones EEZ.

That being the case, given Turkeys threatening and provocative behaviour wouldn't you say they have gone too far.

http://famagusta-gazette.com/nothing-il ... 527-69.htm

He is right.

It is not illegal for the Turks to be there under LoS. it is illegal when they start drilling, fishing or extracting Natural resources.

[Lordo]

there is a difference between economic zone and exclusive sea zone which is only 3 miles out. you boys are armatures and are throwing away any opportunity you may have to make something out of these resources. terggy will not let you not with taking her share and then giving the tcs their share and then you will have whats left and then there may not be that much left for you green blue boys.

[Paphitis]

there is a difference between economic zone and exclusive sea zone which is only 3 miles out. you boys are armatures and are throwing away any opportunity you may have to make something out of these resources. terggy will not let you not with taking her share and then giving the tcs their share and then you will have whats left and then there may not be that much left for you green blue boys.

Territorial Sovereign Waters are 12nms not 3.

EEZ are the median point between 2 land masses or 200 nms.

Turkey has no say in anything shit for brains!

[Nikitas]

Professor Mazawi , the man who taught me Public International Law, was at the time the British rep for the Law of the Sea negotiations. As his students we had an insight into the negotiations and the priorities of participating nations. The merchant maritime powers, Greece among them, did not want a territorial water extension, the Americans and Russians ignored the objections and made sure the 12 mile rule was passed.

Turkey found itself on the wrong side of almost every aspect of the Law of the Sea. It refuses to accept that islands have continental shelf, asserting that they sit on the continental shelf of nearby continents, which understandably pissed off powerful island nations like UK, Japan, Indonesia, Philippines etc. Then came the Law of the Sea extension to the Exclusive Economic Zone. The Turkish (unilateral) interpretation is that in "closed seas" all coastal states must share according to their coastline length, which would make Greece the No 1 beneficiary in the Med. They then rethought the situation and decided that the Med needs a different legal regime from the Aegean, as explained last year by Davut.

They refuse to accept that island states can designate sea corridors for international shipping through their territorial waters, insisting on a unilateral interpretation of the rules of innocent passage, that is why there is an almost weekly trip of Turkish warships through the Greek islands. The military stupidity of putting ships within range of unsophisticated land based weapons escapes them, they think they are intimidating the Greek population with the show of a flag. The result is exactly the opposite.

Their preoccupation is to force neighboring states to sign bilateral agreements before they join the EU, since membership of the EU mandates signing the Law of the Sea and submission to the jurisdiction of the International Court of Justice. And naturally none of the neighboring states want to enter into any such thieving agreements.

The irony is that if they had submitted to the ICJ jursidiction they would have gotten a lot more than they will get by bullying, and it would have been politically acceptable to the surrounding states as a decision of the ICJ. But national complexes are hard to overcome.

[B25]

Nikita,

thank you for these good insights into such laws. It's always better to understand where Turkey is coming from and from what you say, they are just heading for disaster. How the hell can the join the EU with such attitude and I really don't see why the EU tolerates them...

[Maximus]

They have gone to far for sure and it is a provocative move but, they are not harassing anyone or impeding developments for Cyprus. {yet}.

They are just present where they should not be, they are just sitting ducks bobbing up and down taking some pictures. Just some unwelcome Tourists.

So, I have to add to my previous comment. The Turks have violated Cyprus's EEZ, are occupying the northern third of the island and they have been and are extracting natural resources.

As far as the drilling is concerned, they started that on land already.

Eide is not accurate in his comment because the Turks have broken international law by entering Cyprus's EEZ and thieving for the past 40 years.

[Lordo]

the pipeline will go from the platform direct into terggy. and then bobs your uncle. you do have an uncle right. tell me it is so my boy.

un has been telling you for years you will not be able extract anything without an agreement. you must b e furkin deef son.

was that i hear, pardon. you deef or what.

[Maximus]

the pipeline will go from the platform direct into terggy. and then bobs your uncle. you do have an uncle right. tell me it is so my boy.

un has been telling you for years you will not be able extract anything without an agreement. you must b e furkin deef son.

was that i hear, pardon. you deef or what.

Turkey will get a Exocet up her ass if it goes that far, and the RoC wont be pulling the trigger either.

[Lordo]

he he he he he he he yes indeed. somebody else will do it for you. dream on. listen what israel is saying. pipeline should go through terggy into eu. they have said it enough. you ignore at your own peril.