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[B25]

The solution is simple, but Turks pretend not to see it: they accept the Law of Sea and become members of the agreement for the gas. They already apply the Law of the Sea in the Black Sea, but they like to playact in the Mediterranean invoking the doctrine of the "closed sea" . You have to be a naive MF to believe that the Med is more closed than the Black Sea. Look at the map and figure.

The gas has already been earmarked by American companies like Halliburton and Noble, while French, Italian, Spanish and Korean firms are in the act too. It goes too far for the Turks to announce rules of engagement involving direct attacks against the installation of these companies. So they threaten that if they are attacked they will retaliate, BFD.

The missing part here is the TCs, who have kept their mouths hermetically shut. They know they will get more out of the gas if the RoC exploits it, and they know they will get sweet FA if Turkey gets its greedy hands on it. But none of their political "leaders" have the nerve to state the obvious.

The water is the bait in the idiot trap. Take some water and give me the gas is the ploy. And our resident chief propagandist is busy pushing the Turkish bait.

Nikita,

According to the new UN special wanker, oops representative mr Eide, it is not illegal for Turkish war ships to be in Cyprus EEZ.

He says the the waters are not terrotorial and that at any time warships will be in someones EEZ.

That being the case, given Turkeys threatening and provocative behaviour wouldn't you say they have gone too far.

http://famagusta-gazette.com/nothing-il ... 527-69.htm

[Maximus]

Still no water pipeline huh......

Why don't they just build desalination plants? They would have had their water for sure by now.

[Nikitas]

The EEZ does not affect the international nature of the waters or the rights of ships of ALL nations to be there. EEZ does not convert international waters to national waters.

The illegal bit here is the carrying out of sesmic surveys by this tub they put out there. And also the approach to the drilling platforms, but you will notice that they are meticulously careful not to transgress the 5 mile radius. Even in their dumbest hour they know they cannot infringe American interests or those of more powerful EU nations like Italy and France.

There is a risk here for the Turks and they know it. A wrong move is enough to justify these big boys establishing a permanent presence in Cyprus and that is what the bimbachis do not want. Like they say in Greece, it is better to be first in the village than second in the city. The French navy in the area would bring a certain city like atmosphere.

[Maximus]

The solution is simple, but Turks pretend not to see it: they accept the Law of Sea and become members of the agreement for the gas. They already apply the Law of the Sea in the Black Sea, but they like to playact in the Mediterranean invoking the doctrine of the "closed sea" . You have to be a naive MF to believe that the Med is more closed than the Black Sea. Look at the map and figure.

The gas has already been earmarked by American companies like Halliburton and Noble, while French, Italian, Spanish and Korean firms are in the act too. It goes too far for the Turks to announce rules of engagement involving direct attacks against the installation of these companies. So they threaten that if they are attacked they will retaliate, BFD.

The missing part here is the TCs, who have kept their mouths hermetically shut. They know they will get more out of the gas if the RoC exploits it, and they know they will get sweet FA if Turkey gets its greedy hands on it. But none of their political "leaders" have the nerve to state the obvious.

The water is the bait in the idiot trap. Take some water and give me the gas is the ploy. And our resident chief propagandist is busy pushing the Turkish bait.

Nikita,

According to the new UN special wanker, oops representative mr Eide, it is not illegal for Turkish war ships to be in Cyprus EEZ.

He says the the waters are not terrotorial and that at any time warships will be in someones EEZ.

That being the case, given Turkeys threatening and provocative behaviour wouldn't you say they have gone too far.

http://famagusta-gazette.com/nothing-il ... 527-69.htm

They have gone to far for sure and it is a provocative move but, they are not harassing anyone or impeding developments for Cyprus. {yet}.

They are just present where they should not be, they are just sitting ducks bobbing up and down taking some pictures. Just some unwelcome Tourists.

[Nikitas]

Maybe you guys noticed that lately the Turks seem to have an obsession about relative size. Their new palace is bigger than....... fill in the dotten line, their navy has 160 some ships, their air force 800 jets, their country is the biggest in the area, and so on. Like they say, reference to size just hides inadequacies.

[Maximus]

Maybe you guys noticed that lately the Turks seem to have an obsession about relative size. Their new palace is bigger than....... fill in the dotten line, their navy has 160 some ships, their air force 800 jets, their country is the biggest in the area, and so on. Like they say, reference to size just hides inadequacies.

The Turks cant do anything,

So they trawl up and down in CY's EEZ taking surveys of the sea bed. What if they think they have found some gas south of the island? Are they going to move a drilling platform there and start extracting it? then what, build a pipeline to Turkey and sell it to Europe and give the Tc their share? yeah right.

They just want to be seen like they are doing something for the mushrooms in the "TRNC" but their actions are completely ineffective for everyone concerned.

[Lordo]

bury your heads under the sands boys, good deep. number one your ass is in the air and ripe and you will need it when push comes to shove and shooting starts.

the water is a comin.

[bill cobbett]

So they trawl up and down in CY's EEZ taking surveys of the sea bed. What if they think they have found some gas south of the island? Are they going to move a drilling platform there and start extracting it? then what, build a pipeline to Turkey and sell it to Europe and give the Tc their share? yeah right.

They just want to be seen like they are doing something for the mushrooms in the "TRNC" but their actions are completely ineffective for everyone concerned.

Yes, starting at the beginning of that list, does anyone really think that the Barbaros is carrying out surveys...???

Surveys whose tracks are determined not by geology and science but by the positions of the Saipem and the rig's supply ships are very curious surveys.

We must be just as sceptical with these Barbaros "surveys" as we were with its predecessor, the Clapped-Out Sardine Trawler Piri Piri Reis and as we are with the "kktc su scammasi"

[Lordo]

there is a few green greek boys over there requiring more sand son, where you been gavole e hahiges.

[Nikitas]

BC the Barbaros is not surveying because it does not have to. The full surveys were sold to all interested parties by the Norwegian firm that carried out the surveys. It was easy for the Turks to get a copy of those surveys. The Barbaros is nowhere near as well equipped to survey as the Norwegian ships. This is just a show.

And like you point out, assuming they take the charade to the extreme, and they do drill and do find gas, then what? They have not thought through their plan because they have a more immediate aim.. to create tension and then seek a deal to lessen it. They have already made their offer, we stop the drilling and they will pull out the ships. Only this time no one is biting. Bazaar mentality is OK for small things and small players, the big boys do not play. Even Israel does not have the technology to extract its gas and their rep is in Texas right now seeking partners. He gave an interview to the American press today.

The real players are here. the guys who have the means to extract the gas- the Americans, the Italians, the French, and the Koreans and the Turks are doing everything in their power to show them how unreliable they are as partners.

Again, all this would have been avoided if they had signed the law of the Sea Convention and were an equal party to the proceedings. They did not and now they are stuck with not a single friendly neighbor in the area. It is no accident that ALL other countries in the area are signatories to the Law of the Sea.

Davut saw the risk of the military ploy not working and he keeps repeating his water mantra. That the water is not just for the TCs and all that crap. But the water project is not panning out either, November is half way through and water yok. And they left it so late anyway that deal technology has become widespread in the south, every golf course has to have a unit to get a license. Nobody gives a stuff about water. For a strategic thinker he is not doing very well old Davut.