GreekIslandGirl wrote:supporttheunderdog wrote:DrCyprus wrote:GreekIslandGirl wrote:Who brought in pride genetics or philosophy into the debate
GreekIslandGirl did.
PrideCyprus' history has been catalogued for so much longer it's an insult to use the UK/GB as a role model.
GeneticsThe majority Cypriots, natives, are Greek. Maybe from the Mycenaean wave or the Alexandrian wave or any of the many interactions in-between but we are principally Greek. Speaking Greek for thousands of years. Have the English spoken English for more than some centuries?
Pride, genetics and philosophyIf you want to call the ancient Greeks that colonised Cyprus, Asia Minor, Greece, Italy up to France the term "settlers" - that's fine. The reality is they humanised mostly barren lands and set up civilisations for the first time. Bringing arts, culture, sciences, mathematics, engineering, democracy etc etc etc. More accurately they were very early, 'primitive' pioneers. As such, they "settled" the lands, making them more habitable, before anyone else. The Turks are trying to undo what the Greeks have done or take over ready-made civilisations, with nothing to offer. Can you not see the difference?
try and Ignore Greek island Girl - she is a Dinosaur remnant -
YOU ARE MISREPRESENTING MY POSITION AND YOU KNOW IT.
As with dealing with any flawed analysis that can take more time than the necessary, but the flaw in your original premise was that the certain characteristics we and other species share with dinosaurs are "Dinosaur remnants" .as though they originated with dinosaurs and somehow magically transmitted themselves to other species though these other species are NOT for the most part descended from Dinosaurs, the exception being the birds. .
I have never challenged the premise we and other creatures both extent and extinct (and some of which predate Dinosaurs) have much in common with Dinosaurs; I even described them as distant cousins, an analogy you objected to, but one which made it plain we shared a common ancestor (about 340 MYA or so ) and as you now concede and as I stated it is because we have common ancestors that we do share so much, the closer in time the common ancestor the greater the similarities are likely to be,. We and Dinosaurs have for example probably acquired our hard jaws from a fish some 600 MYA or so I would say a hard Jaw is NOT a Dinosaur remnant,
These characteristics are in fact an inherent part of all species that carry them,
as for your analysis of Greek colonisation, thank your for justifying the developments of the European Empires which used just the same propagandised excuses as you have used for the Greeks - still if I suppose empire building and colonisatation was OK for the Greeks in the then it was OK in the 15th to early 20th century for the Spanish, Germans, French, Portuguese, Belgians, Italians, Dutch, Empiresm, they are after all a a paragon the you think we should follow. .
It even justifies the Nazi policy of Lebensraum since that is what Greek Colonisation was all about - exporting surplus population. There was however f*ck all by way of Altruism in what the Greeks did, and with the exception of a few deluded individuals in what eg the the British did in Africa, but then you to are deluded with your totally blinkered view of the greatness of Greece to the exclusion of other civilisations, and cultures that existed, some of which such as the Minoan pre 140000 BC or so is claimed as Greek when it was not.
There is however no point in arguing with you because you are so irrational when it comes to your own delusions.
