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Cypriots were now “selfish, untrustworthy and greedy”.

Postby tsukoui » Thu Jan 24, 2013 9:21 pm

In Pursuit of Utopia: “A Pakistani, an Arab and a Scotsman ‘Return’ to Cyprus…” by Christopher Kyriakides

http://www.academia.edu/1484786/Christopher_Kyriakides_-_In_Pursuit_of_Utopia_A_Pakistani_an_Arab_and_a_Scotsman_Return_to_Cyprus

Some choice quotes:

“My parents migrated to Scotland in 1955,” I explained. “I was bornin Glasgow in '71. For the first 15 years of my life, I was identified asPakistani, for the next 15 years I was identified as Arab, then, when I movedto Cyprus, I was identified for the first time as a Scotsman!” So, one could say that I am ‘all of the above’. Alternatively, one might say, ‘I am none of theabove’. I have an ‘identity of nothingness’. In 1970s Scotland, as in Britain,the word 'Paki' (short for Pakistani) was common currency among racists, ameans of designating anyone who was not white or black. The expletive wasan expression of the desire to keep 'us' out of history. We were not subjects who had the right to act effectively and decisively, to compete legitimately forresources - economic or cultural – deemed British.


My Greek-Cypriot migrant parents, like many of those Pakistani parents who settled in Glasgow after World War Two, arrived with hopes, fears andabove all the aspiration to build a life denied them, for their children. Beingimmigrants, and branded 'non-white', placed them in the precariousposition of having to work twice as hard as the then indigenous populationand in worse conditions (Smith, 1977). At least, that is how my parentsexperienced their situation. And work they did, ‘24/7’, until eventually likesome migrants they entered the British middle class (CMEB 2000). They faced discrimination and cruelty, but still made friends and became part of what they and other migrants had made – a new community, which wouldno longer accept Britishness as homogenously 'white' (see Gilroy, 1993).


In the absence of utopia, dystopic tendencies can arise. It is the personalizeddystopic contours of Greek-Cypriot self-identity which greet the migrantnewcomer. The solution should be the positing of a world beyond self-identity. However, it seems that the trajectory is in the opposite direction. A series of lifestyle choices is what remains, sold to us in an ethnically culturalised package of “authentic self-identities”. Next time you meet amigrant at IKEA or Molos keep in mind that it was the human pursuit of an improved life that brought them to Cyprus, and it is that pursuit whichprovides the spark of aspiration so necessary for the creation, based onvision, of a better place.
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Re: Cypriots were now “selfish, untrustworthy and greedy”.

Postby kurupetos » Thu Jan 24, 2013 9:38 pm

Why did he move to Cyprus then? :?
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Re: Cypriots were now “selfish, untrustworthy and greedy”.

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:21 pm

reminds me once when in Zurich, in a very crowded Belgian Bar, finding the only available seat beside two Pakistani engineers...

...oh you are very lucky, one says to me, the girls must like you. what, i said, and he continued pointing to a Black man, he is a schwartze, you are nigger, we are coloured, girls like niggers.
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Re: Cypriots were now “selfish, untrustworthy and greedy”.

Postby kurupetos » Fri Jan 25, 2013 2:13 am

repulsewarrior wrote:reminds me once when in Zurich, in a very crowded Belgian Bar, finding the only available seat beside two Pakistani engineers...

...oh you are very lucky, one says to me, the girls must like you. what, i said, and he continued pointing to a Black man, he is a schwartze, you are nigger, we are coloured, girls like niggers.

I don't think there are Belgian bars in Zurich. :lol:
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Re: Cypriots were now “selfish, untrustworthy and greedy”.

Postby repulsewarrior » Fri Jan 25, 2013 2:24 am

i don't think you think. :wink:

...and i've been to a Belgian bar in Cairo, too.
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Re: Cypriots were now “selfish, untrustworthy and greedy”.

Postby kurupetos » Fri Jan 25, 2013 2:49 am

repulsewarrior wrote:i don't think you think. :wink:

...and i've been to a Belgian bar in Cairo, too.

I have only heard of, and been to, Irish bars. :mrgreen:
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Re: Cypriots were now “selfish, untrustworthy and greedy”.

Postby repulsewarrior » Fri Jan 25, 2013 2:57 am

kurupetos wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:i don't think you think. :wink:

...and i've been to a Belgian bar in Cairo, too.

I have only heard of, and been to, Irish bars. :mrgreen:


...interesting, the one in Cairo, was actually a Belgian bar which was taken apart, and reassembled in one of Cairo's Hiltons.
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Re: Cypriots were now “selfish, untrustworthy and greedy”.

Postby Oceanside50 » Fri Jan 25, 2013 5:49 am

tsukoui wrote:In Pursuit of Utopia: “A Pakistani, an Arab and a Scotsman ‘Return’ to Cyprus…” by Christopher Kyriakides

http://www.academia.edu/1484786/Christopher_Kyriakides_-_In_Pursuit_of_Utopia_A_Pakistani_an_Arab_and_a_Scotsman_Return_to_Cyprus

Some choice quotes:

“My parents migrated to Scotland in 1955,” I explained. “I was bornin Glasgow in '71. For the first 15 years of my life, I was identified asPakistani, for the next 15 years I was identified as Arab, then, when I movedto Cyprus, I was identified for the first time as a Scotsman!” So, one could say that I am ‘all of the above’. Alternatively, one might say, ‘I am none of theabove’. I have an ‘identity of nothingness’. In 1970s Scotland, as in Britain,the word 'Paki' (short for Pakistani) was common currency among racists, ameans of designating anyone who was not white or black. The expletive wasan expression of the desire to keep 'us' out of history. We were not subjects who had the right to act effectively and decisively, to compete legitimately forresources - economic or cultural – deemed British.


My Greek-Cypriot migrant parents, like many of those Pakistani parents who settled in Glasgow after World War Two, arrived with hopes, fears andabove all the aspiration to build a life denied them, for their children. Beingimmigrants, and branded 'non-white', placed them in the precariousposition of having to work twice as hard as the then indigenous populationand in worse conditions (Smith, 1977). At least, that is how my parentsexperienced their situation. And work they did, ‘24/7’, until eventually likesome migrants they entered the British middle class (CMEB 2000). They faced discrimination and cruelty, but still made friends and became part of what they and other migrants had made – a new community, which wouldno longer accept Britishness as homogenously 'white' (see Gilroy, 1993).


In the absence of utopia, dystopic tendencies can arise. It is the personalizeddystopic contours of Greek-Cypriot self-identity which greet the migrantnewcomer. The solution should be the positing of a world beyond self-identity. However, it seems that the trajectory is in the opposite direction. A series of lifestyle choices is what remains, sold to us in an ethnically culturalised package of “authentic self-identities”. Next time you meet amigrant at IKEA or Molos keep in mind that it was the human pursuit of an improved life that brought them to Cyprus, and it is that pursuit whichprovides the spark of aspiration so necessary for the creation, based onvision, of a better place.



“your Greek isCypriot, it is not strictly Greek. You speak my language, and I understand youperfectly”. After a pause, he added, “Cyprus has changed”. His departing tale was of kindness and generosity once witnessed and demonstrated towards“strangers”. His moral - Cypriots had lost their groundedness, theircompassionate hospitality. Cypriots were now “selfish, untrustworthy andgreedy”.


An interesting essay on today's society in Cyprus. There was an element that the author neglected to mention and its impact on the society in Cyprus and that is the 74 Turkish invasion of Cyprus and the consequent 200,000 refugees that migrated to the free areas of Cyprus. This influx of Greek cypriot refugees effectively doubled and tripled the populations of these towns in the southern part of the island. Could this influx been the beginning of Cypriot society losing its groundedness as the author mentions?
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Re: Cypriots were now “selfish, untrustworthy and greedy”.

Postby kurupetos » Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:46 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:
kurupetos wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:i don't think you think. :wink:

...and i've been to a Belgian bar in Cairo, too.

I have only heard of, and been to, Irish bars. :mrgreen:


...interesting, the one in Cairo, was actually a Belgian bar which was taken apart, and reassembled in one of Cairo's Hiltons.

At least Conrad Hilton was not a Jew. :)
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Re: Cypriots were now “selfish, untrustworthy and greedy”.

Postby supporttheunderdog » Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:15 pm

kurupetos wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:
kurupetos wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:i don't think you think. :wink:

...and i've been to a Belgian bar in Cairo, too.

I have only heard of, and been to, Irish bars. :mrgreen:


...interesting, the one in Cairo, was actually a Belgian bar which was taken apart, and reassembled in one of Cairo's Hiltons.

At least Conrad Hilton was not a Jew. :)

More racist shit, I see!.
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