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[Pyrpolizer]

Recognition is not something decided by GCs, although GCs will surely not recognise the state in the north. Each state across the world may decide for itself whether or not to recognise the TRNC. It is a political decision and not a legally determined decision. Sure there are decisions which are more or less likely to encourage or discourage states from extending recognition, such as Security Council resolutions, but the UNSC does not in itself define what is legal or unlawful.

The basic story is that GCS have been very effective in ensuring that the ball doesn't even start rolling, having moved as far as recognition from one state, Turkey. But if the ball were to restart and gain momentum then there is little that the RoC could do to stop it. That is why RoC's entry into the EU, without the acquis for the north was critical.

In direct response to VP the answer is that there is no magic or critical number for recognition. See the Palestine and Kosovo cases for very different results from very different numbers (and very different processes).

It is a political decision alright but don't you think that such o political decision should not risk infecting its own legal system?

[Maximus]

forget about me, I am just a dummy so you can practice on, you need to convince the worlds population that black is in fact white.

Your rejection and our acceptance of the AP is just one more step towards getting that ball rolling and convincing the world that we deserve to be recognized. With repeated failure at trying to unite is more proof that the sides cannot come together and any forced solution will bring instability to the region, so recognition is the better option. 39 years of division secured a peaceful existence to the populations on both sides of the divide more proof and reason to recognize the TRNC.

Your white is actually black.

[Pyrpolizer]

Maxi whats difference does it make your black is my white thats why we will never agree. Why do you have a problem sharing Cyprus, why do you want to force me to live in a GC state with no security? why do you want to force me into minority status in my own country?

Simple. Because your ancestors were a minority here, and the lived for centuries together with the rest. Of course you may say yes we were a minority but we were the rulers and when the British came we were treated favorably so we had no problems. Well tough luck, at some point the rulers left so your rights are those of a minority. They cannot extend to 50-50 rights. Even the BBF will account to the fact that you are a minority. Will you ever manage to overcome this inferiority complex?

You were simply born from parents who were a minority. Next time you will get born again ask God to lay you in Turkey and be specific to your request ,he might lay you to Kurds by mistake, so tell him you want purely Turkish parents.

The reason we can't agree on a solution is simply because we have conflicting interests. Those conflicting interests are those you got on our expense with the 1974 invasion, in short our stolen lands and properties, and double than your percentage occupancy of Cyprus.

[Viewpoint]

1974 was the result of your own actions so stop blaming everyone else, as for the minorities should know their place mentality aint gonna work here, we have internationally signed agreements by yourselves that we are partners 30% 70% with veto rights, this you cannot erase, isnt it time you got used to having a partner and sharing the island?

[Pyrpolizer]

1974 was the result of your own actions so stop blaming everyone else, as for the minorities should know their place mentality aint gonna work here, we have internationally signed agreements by yourselves that we are partners 30% 70% with veto rights, this you cannot erase, isnt it time you got used to having a partner and sharing the island?

Nothing can excuse the Invasion the throwing out of their homes and lands almost half the GCs, the occupation that goes on for 39 years the import of settlers etc etc.. One crime does not excuse another of multiple proportions will you ever understand this basic thing? As for the internationally signed agreements go ahead and HONOUR THEM. Come back to the RoC agreements

Nevertheless even those agreements accounted for the fact that you were a minority. So do you accept this very basic fact that your ancestors were a minority, hence you do have the same status?

[Kikapu]

There are many reasons as to why the TCs cannot claim these properties as if you didn't know. Here are few.

1. Many of the original owners, parents/grand parents are dead with the deeds still in their names.

2. The heirs to the parents/grand parents property have not gone trough probate in the RoC in order to have their parents/grand parents property to be placed in their names, therefore the future heirs cannot take any property in the south belonging to their parents/grand parents.

3. Many of the TCs gave their parents/grand parents deeds to their property in the south to the "trnc" (Turkey) in order to receive stolen GCs property in the north and are now caught in a trap of becoming "Double Dipping", which the north's authorities (Turkey) will not take it too kindly if the TCs attempted to get their (parents/grand parents) properties in the south, even if they could, because once they have received stolen GC properties in the north, they have voluntarily have given up their rights to those properties in the south, even though the RoC does not recognise it, but the TCs in the north will be punished severely by the "trnc" if they dared "Double Dipping". They will not be able to return back to the north for the threat of being prosecuted.

4. Any TC who were in Cyprus in 1974 at the time of the invasion by Turkey are not eligible to have their properties in the south returned to them by the RoC until a settlement is reached, even if the heirs had gone through probate in the RoC of their parents/grand parents properties. Only those TCs who were not in Cyprus in 1974 at the time of the Turkish invasion can have their parents/grand parents properties returned once they have gone trough probate or that they were the sole heirs which does not require probate but documents to satisfy the court in the RoC that he/she is the sole heir.

Spot on. Thanks for this informative post.

You're welcome, CopperLine. Nice of you to stop by!

Presently, here is one way that I know where the TCs properties in the RoC can be gotten back by the TCs with minimal legal work in the RoC (short of a settlement), but not without risk of TCs being prosecuted by the "trnc" if any of the heirs had already received GC properties in the north (see 3 above) or alternatively, they have received "points" and sold them off for hard cash, points given to them by the "trnc" against their TC properties in the south. For this to happen, there needs to be a lot of trust by the heirs to each other between themselves, as well as, many of the heirs risking getting into legal trouble with the "trnc", therefore, it is ONLY a "million to one shot" of TCs successfully repossession of their family's property in the RoC at the present time, but longer the wait goes on, the harder it becomes for the heirs, because the number of heirs just keep on increasing, which makes any kind of consensus between the heirs regarding their ancestral family property in the RoC ever more difficult, if not impossible to solve with time.

[Kikapu]

1974 was the result of your own actions so stop blaming everyone else, as for the minorities should know their place mentality aint gonna work here, we have internationally signed agreements by yourselves that we are partners 30% 70% with veto rights, this you cannot erase, isnt it time you got used to having a partner and sharing the island?

You are so comical. I don't know how we will be entertained if you once kept your word and dissappeared from the CF, taking Lordo with you.

First of all, you always state that we cannot go back to before 1974 and retain bussiness as usual and the next minute you bring up the 1960 constitution.

You also very conveniently forget that by Makarios and Denktash agreeing to have BBF with UNSC's resolutions, basically it means in the real world, that the provisions of the 1960 constitution are not necessary applicable any longer and that new ones will need to be agreed on, hence the negotiations, so whenever you bring up certain articles of the 1960 constitution as you have done above just because they suit you and would like to have them back again, may not be the same case with all the Cypriots.

[Viewpoint]

Your are an outright moron whos not even comical lets try and keep our exchanges to a minimum because I will never respect you and what you have to say.

The internationally recognized 1960 agreements are the foundation for any future agreements so until a new one has been agreed and signed and takes the place of the old one we can continue to refer to it to remind those that are trying to erase it that we to have rights as TCs to Cyprus, this is very basic obviously you havent been able to grasp these facts.

[Kikapu]

Your are an outright moron whos not even comical lets try and keep our exchanges to a minimum because I will never respect you and what you have to say.

I'm glad you think I'm not comical.

Too bad for you that I can't say the same about you.

I would rather get respect from a sewer rat than a Racist Facists rat like yourself, who lives on the misery of others. This does not mean however, that I will still not rub your ugly face into your own propanda crap everytime you post here on the CF.

Just one more thing. You can kiss my hairy ass.

The internationally recognized 1960 agreements are the foundation for any future agreements so until a new one has been agreed and signed and takes the place of the old one we can continue to refer to it to remind those that are trying to erase it that we to have rights as TCs to Cyprus, this is very basic obviously you havent been able to grasp these facts.

The 1960 agreements are not a foundation to anything to be agreed on in the future. That's just your fantasy wish who does not have the sense to grasp reality. The fact that the AP was, it does not mean it will ever be again. The AP has been Dead & Buried in 2004. The moment Makarios and Denktash signed onto BBF and ratified by the UNSC, the 1960 agreements was as good as dead from that point on and the GCs can keep it that way until the cows come home or until another agreement is signed, but they do not need to return to the old one, specially since it was based on a Unitary state and not on BBF. No one can force the RoC to abide by the 1960 agreements if it doesn't want to, because Denktash basically signed away those agreements by signing onto BBF. No wonder you want to turn the BBF into BBC, as in CONFEDERATION.

As far as your claim that the 1960 agreements are still Internationally recognised, then

a) you should forget about recognition of the "trnc", since territorial integrity is the central piece of the 1960 agreements.
b) it is very clear that you cannot exercise any veto vote on the RoC for the last 50 years and counting, so how come?
c) as long as the TCs choose not to take part in the RoC's government, then by default, the 1960 agreements cannot be fully exercised and they are not.

[Viewpoint]

Get lost you moron, the fact that the GCs cannot solve the Cyprus problem without us is enough proof that the 1960 agreements give us our rights as a partner to negotiate a new state of affairs such as the AP, where we share 50% weight in any decision making plain and simple.