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Re: What is needed for recognition?

Postby Kikapu » Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:35 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:Many thanks from me as well Kikapu, both for your time and your information.
I often feel bad accusing the Kibrislis collectively, there are A LOT who were and still are perfectly honest people.It seems this guy Denktash and his gang +Turkey have designed everything, so that in any eventuality, the ones who will pay the price will be those who trusted them. :!:


You need to put yourself in the shoes of most ordinary TCs to try and understand in what they did regarding their properties in the south and the GCs properties they took in the north.

After 1974, most TCs who came to the north from the south were given a place to live in GCs properties, because there were plenty of GCs properties to go around. Once the settlers started coming to the north, GCs properties to live in started to become scarce, so Denktash and his cronies devised a plan of how to take (steal) TCs land in the south and give them stolen GC land in the north. If the TCs wanted to continue living in the GCs properties in the north or buy another GC property, they needed to turn in their family deeds of their property in the south to the "trnc", and in return, receive these points to be converted to "buy" stolen GCs property. Often they didn't even have enough points given to them against their properties in the south to secure the GC properties in the north, so they were then forced to buy additional points from individuals who had them, since some TCs had a lot of land in the south and received a lot of points, or they just didn't have enough point to get a GC property and just sold off their points to just receive cash to get by or just leave the north and go abroad or some just refused to get a GC property at all but had the points all the same anyway. This point scam was done on a large scale. Families were able to divide up their family land in the south with a Micky mouse system in the north without probate in the RoC's courts. It was all or nothing for the families. They had to turn in all their deeds to be valuated in points and then eligible heirs to take equal shares in points. Even if some members of the family did not want to take part, they really didn't have a choice. Most did it out of necessity, so that they had a place to live. The fact that they were also told that Cyprus problem was over in 1974 and that they were kept in the north in an open prison, most Tcs never thought they will one day return to their properties, so they went along with Denktash's scam to be ripped off.

People like VP who came to the north in the early 90's from the UK only came to take advantage of the property situation, where they were not only able to converted their property in the south to stolen GC properties in the north, but also be in a position to buy a lot of cheap GCs properties from other TCs. There was no other reason for him to go to the north at the age of 30 from the comfortable living in the UK. Lordo's family too I believe took stolen GC properties in the north for their properties in the south. Any property Lordo talks about having in the RoC, more than likely the "trnc" is holding the deeds.There are of course other TCs who did not take or buy any stolen GC properties at all, and I'm very proud to say my mother is one of them, but rest of her family did so, but like many other TCs, often through desperation and also believing of no hope of ever going back to their properties in the south because Denktash and his cronies made them believe that they will never go back, and rather than lose their properties in the south for good, so he convinced the majority of the TCs to turn over their property in the south to the "trnc" and receive stolen GCs properties instead.
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Re: What is needed for recognition?

Postby bill cobbett » Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:39 pm

Yes, agree boys... Many are very Proud, very proud indeed that they didn't take Harem Money.

On the matter of land-holdings in the Free Areas, have said it before that the Republic should make it much easier for those who wish to reclaim their lands where other refugees haven't acquired Home Rights for two reasons...

For the very good reasons that it's Right to do so cos it's their property and secondly for the reason Kik gives... it depletes the claimed "trnc" land bank.
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Re: What is needed for recognition?

Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:52 pm

It seems this guy Denktash and his gang +Turkey have designed everything, so that in any eventuality, the ones who will pay the price will be those who trusted them.


...indeed, as in any confidence game.
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Re: What is needed for recognition?

Postby Pyrpolizer » Wed Jan 16, 2013 7:23 pm

Thank you again kikapu.

The greatest injustice that occurred in the Roc controlled areas is the skyrocketing of the prices of land and homes just because the refugees lost theirs. In other words every non refugee got rich on the expense of refugees.
The situation today is such that in general every non refugee is rich and every refugee just survives.Of course there are many mixed marriages between refugees-non refugees so there is some leveling out.

In general the "European RoC" helped the refugees to a degree ranging from peanuts to maybe 5% of their "loss". And to get that you must lick some asses. That's why there are desperate GC refugees today, who have no other option than go to the IPC in the occupied and sell their properties for about 1/20th their real value. That was always the damn RoC...
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Re: What is needed for recognition?

Postby Lordo » Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:45 pm

NO NO NO NO

COME ON BOYS LETS GET OUR FACTS RIGHT.

THE PRICE WILL BE PAID BY TURKEY ON ONE SIDE AND ROC ON THE OTHER. ALL THE COMPENSATION TO TCS WILL BE PAID BY THE ROC AFTER ALL THEY STOLE THE TCS LAND. BUT IF GCS DONT APPLY TO THE IPC THEN THEY WILL HAVE NO COMPENSATION AT ALL.

AS TO THE HAREM MONEY SI WHERE YOU KEEP YOUR 7 WIVES.

ALL THIS BROWN TONGUE BUSINESS THOUGH IS NOT HELPING NONE.
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Re: What is needed for recognition?

Postby Pyrpolizer » Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:56 pm

Ok lordo, we 've heard you, why are you BARKING ? :lol: :lol:

Btw there was a deadline for applications to the IPC and it expired already.
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Re: What is needed for recognition?

Postby Viewpoint » Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:07 am

Lordo we have not been on the forum all day did you notice they just chatted among themselves made it up as they want along. :lol: Maybe its time to give the forum a break we get nowhere with these morons anyway and the forum is a prime example of why we will never unite.
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Re: What is needed for recognition?

Postby Maximus » Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:12 am

Viewpoint wrote:Lordo we have not been on the forum all day did you notice they just chatted among themselves made it up as they want along. :lol: Maybe its time to give the forum a break we get nowhere with these morons anyway and the forum is a prime example of why we will never unite.


well this is a public forum and you dont have to be here for everybody else to chat. welcome back!
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Re: What is needed for recognition?

Postby Viewpoint » Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:15 am

Maxi I just caught up with the days posts pretty boring and great example of how it would be trying to debate or even solve the problem one sided pretty pathetic.
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Re: What is needed for recognition?

Postby Maximus » Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:17 am

Viewpoint wrote:Maxi I just caught up with the days posts pretty boring and great example of how it would be trying to debate or even solve the problem one sided pretty pathetic.


Its no problem and that's what the problem is at the end of the day, one sided.
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