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Re: What is needed for recognition?

Postby Viewpoint » Sun Jan 13, 2013 6:42 pm

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Viewpoint wrote:Pyro the Gcs do not want a solution they have everything they want, we could elect Mother Teresa and there would still be no solution the official take is the international recorded rejection of the AP by the GCs.


Yes we 've heard of that poem before, how many lies can you fabricate-digest and finally beleive, you people are one of a kind ... :P


just consider it for one minute the GCs have everything they want, recognition, their own state, no TC partnership etc etc, all they have to do not to share is keepthe world think including the stupid refugees that they want a solution, they have not once accepted a solution, whereas we have. You know Im right why should they want a solution they want a solution?
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Re: What is needed for recognition?

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sun Jan 13, 2013 7:11 pm

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Viewpoint wrote:Pyro the Gcs do not want a solution they have everything they want, we could elect Mother Teresa and there would still be no solution the official take is the international recorded rejection of the AP by the GCs.


Yes we 've heard of that poem before, how many lies can you fabricate-digest and finally beleive, you people are one of a kind ... :P


just consider it for one minute the GCs have everything they want, recognition, their own state, no TC partnership etc etc, all they have to do not to share is keepthe world think including the stupid refugees that they want a solution, they have not once accepted a solution, whereas we have. You know Im right why should they want a solution they want a solution?


Stop the poems, you made us dizzy.
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Re: What is needed for recognition?

Postby Viewpoint » Sun Jan 13, 2013 7:17 pm

You do not have any answers so ı take it has acceptance that I am right.
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Re: What is needed for recognition?

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sun Jan 13, 2013 7:21 pm

Viewpoint wrote:You do not have any answers so ı take it has acceptance that I am right.


The answer is the SAME for all your poems:

Yes we 've heard of that poem before, how many lies can you fabricate-digest and finally beleive, you people are one of a kind ...
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Re: What is needed for recognition?

Postby Viewpoint » Sun Jan 13, 2013 7:24 pm

Your responses are childish and crap.
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Re: What is needed for recognition?

Postby repulsewarrior » Sun Jan 13, 2013 7:26 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:...should i say, bravo vp! ...in your tiny little world, bigger than any other, the history today can be written, repulsewarrior can be scratched off a list, unforgiven, finally dismissed, because the words spoken were harsh; you must be very proud.

but, what is needed for recognition?

...you personally, is to recognise how this small world is ours, all of us.

...whether you want a small piece (more) for you or not is something less than this fact, you can say that that too goes for all of us. and if you love your island, then, take a look around you, because it was better, and it can belong neither to Turkey, Britain, or Greece, (this is sure), nor can it remain torn in two.

do you honestly believe that without clear words from you, personally, we can agree? as a spokesman announcing to the world, a few words, 5 minutes later so to speak, "Long live the TRNC, thanks to GC ignorance shown in the above posts its look likes it will.", you demean yourself; i speak as a Cypriot, you ignore that, and in a larger sense even that does not matter, because i respect Universal Principals: who are you talking to?

...revenge stops at Bicommunal, it is the compromise, from a Unitary State. there is no asking more without Bad Faith. indeed, "you" don't get it, there is no, "TRNC", because there is no, "GC". There is a Republic, and within it Human Beings who as Persons, have taken the task of defining for the rest of Mankind a Bicommunal Bizonal Federation that can be held in high esteem, and as such emulated.

...i am no "Greek", so do me the kindness, demand a Constituency from them (as i do), so that they can be fought by there equals if it comes to that, in a Political Forum, by the "Turks" if you will, but more importantly everyone else who as Cypriots oppose the extremism in any of this thinking as Nationalists.

one word from you, and suddenly there is a Republic which can take care of its Citizens needs as Human Beings, and not as it is today completely dysfunctional, Bicommunal because there exists a Cypriot State, as well as, two (or more) Constituencies; at least amongst us here and now with you, on this Forum, (that would be a nice start), recognition: and in truth ((and given who reads here/who writes, given the topic, and given the present conversation) (at which point)) if it came to reaching out, there are only about a million people who really count.

...struggle vp, these words mean a lot to me, and as everyone else here, except Lordo (maybe), we are most hopeful you can demonstrate some solidarity with the few of us who really struggle, and who feel hurt enough to treat you, personally, with disdain.


Lets see if we can make progress in your understanding of why I wrote Long live the TRNC.....can you answer why I would post this?



...obviously, you are not going to address the issue, as with many times before, you've led us to believe that a BBF is your aim like most Cypriots who also believe that this step is an honourable compromise. of course, we are (or were) foolish to have such hopes; instead you return to being the wind-up toy barking dogma, doing tricks, for some deep state that cannot even clean up the garbage, let alone what stink as corruption they are making, and that's about it, a sap incapable of Solidarity with other Cypriots outside of your beloved so-called, (and the demands of mama Turkey), "TRNC": Cyprus as such, as in Cypriots, do not even exist, never existed, and are to be dismissed, ignored, because if they are not "Turks", they are "Greeks"

...of course, i can answer why, Cyprus, the island, or its most incredible history of Human endeavour, holds no value to you. nothing is important to you, except a dream which as a consequence has taken to destroying the land as a Heritance toward its "Turkification". deny if you will this fact, you, you personally, must recognise the "who", who you choose to be associated with, to be a better "self", as a Turk, and, as an Individual, because you, you personally, can demonstrate a leadership skill where others fail. as for anyone on this Forum, i choose to be loving, and in your case, i'm rooting for you.

chances are the closest i'll get to a response, like the last time, from you, is a quick and short sentence, a come back line, a huff. and of course i'll try again, if that's the case, not against you, we are, on so many levels, "brothers", but i fight, for Cyprus, i say, Freedom for Cyprus, and, Freedom for Cypriots, too.
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Re: What is needed for recognition?

Postby Viewpoint » Sun Jan 13, 2013 7:28 pm

Let me try and take a step forward as we appear to be going around in circles, what is it that you do not like about what I am saying, the most important one as I am sure there is a lot but lets take it one step at a time, and I will try to clarify for you.
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Re: What is needed for recognition?

Postby Viewpoint » Sun Jan 13, 2013 7:36 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:
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repulsewarrior wrote:...should i say, bravo vp! ...in your tiny little world, bigger than any other, the history today can be written, repulsewarrior can be scratched off a list, unforgiven, finally dismissed, because the words spoken were harsh; you must be very proud.

but, what is needed for recognition?

...you personally, is to recognise how this small world is ours, all of us.

...whether you want a small piece (more) for you or not is something less than this fact, you can say that that too goes for all of us. and if you love your island, then, take a look around you, because it was better, and it can belong neither to Turkey, Britain, or Greece, (this is sure), nor can it remain torn in two.

do you honestly believe that without clear words from you, personally, we can agree? as a spokesman announcing to the world, a few words, 5 minutes later so to speak, "Long live the TRNC, thanks to GC ignorance shown in the above posts its look likes it will.", you demean yourself; i speak as a Cypriot, you ignore that, and in a larger sense even that does not matter, because i respect Universal Principals: who are you talking to?

...revenge stops at Bicommunal, it is the compromise, from a Unitary State. there is no asking more without Bad Faith. indeed, "you" don't get it, there is no, "TRNC", because there is no, "GC". There is a Republic, and within it Human Beings who as Persons, have taken the task of defining for the rest of Mankind a Bicommunal Bizonal Federation that can be held in high esteem, and as such emulated.

...i am no "Greek", so do me the kindness, demand a Constituency from them (as i do), so that they can be fought by there equals if it comes to that, in a Political Forum, by the "Turks" if you will, but more importantly everyone else who as Cypriots oppose the extremism in any of this thinking as Nationalists.

one word from you, and suddenly there is a Republic which can take care of its Citizens needs as Human Beings, and not as it is today completely dysfunctional, Bicommunal because there exists a Cypriot State, as well as, two (or more) Constituencies; at least amongst us here and now with you, on this Forum, (that would be a nice start), recognition: and in truth ((and given who reads here/who writes, given the topic, and given the present conversation) (at which point)) if it came to reaching out, there are only about a million people who really count.

...struggle vp, these words mean a lot to me, and as everyone else here, except Lordo (maybe), we are most hopeful you can demonstrate some solidarity with the few of us who really struggle, and who feel hurt enough to treat you, personally, with disdain.


Lets see if we can make progress in your understanding of why I wrote Long live the TRNC.....can you answer why I would post this?



...obviously, you are not going to address the issue, as with many times before, you've led us to believe that a BBF is your aim like most Cypriots who also believe that this step is an honourable compromise. of course, we are (or were) foolish to have such hopes; instead you return to being the wind-up toy barking dogma, doing tricks, for some deep state that cannot even clean up the garbage, let alone what stink as corruption they are making, and that's about it, a sap incapable of Solidarity with other Cypriots outside of your beloved so-called, (and the demands of mama Turkey), "TRNC": Cyprus as such, as in Cypriots, do not even exist, never existed, and are to be dismissed, ignored, because if they are not "Turks", they are "Greeks"

...of course, i can answer why, Cyprus, the island, or its most incredible history of Human endeavour, holds no value to you. nothing is important to you, except a dream which as a consequence has taken to destroying the land as a Heritance toward its "Turkification". deny if you will this fact, you, you personally, must recognise the "who", who you choose to be associated with, to be a better "self", as a Turk, and, as an Individual, because you, you personally, can demonstrate a leadership skill where others fail. as for anyone on this Forum, i choose to be loving, and in your case, i'm rooting for you.

chances are the closest i'll get to a response, like the last time, from you, is a quick and short sentence, a come back line, a huff. and of course i'll try again, if that's the case, not against you, we are, on so many levels, "brothers", but i fight, for Cyprus, i say, Freedom for Cyprus, and, Freedom for Cypriots, too.


repulse you are the one omitting hot air, you did not reply to my simple question of why I said LONG LIVE THE TRNC......please try hard to understand as this would mean you have over the years never really understood my viewpoint.

Its OK for the GCs to reject an internationally support BBF but I reject one put forward by a British yob and all hell lets loose, its a two way street repulse we also have the right reject a BBF that does not suit us, we are not rejecting the ideology but the content which we feel w,ill be dangerous to our future. What is offered must be better than what we have today as the TRNC but all we get is much much worse. In the face of all this negativity from GCs what can we do but cling onto what we have we understand how valuable it is when we read the crap the majority of members post on this forum.
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Re: What is needed for recognition?

Postby repulsewarrior » Sun Jan 13, 2013 7:57 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
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GreekIslandGirl wrote:No - you don't get it. They were happy enough to "resettle" in the homes of GCs in the north which VP tells us is now a "foreign country". So there is no earthly reason why the TCs who do not see the RoC as their homeland should not be fairly, and kindly, resettled back to Turkey. In this case, resettled just means settled once they have been moved. It doesn't mean they have had to have been there before. Anyway, "Turkey" is just a stones throw away ( :( ) - They can think of it like island hopping; only this time they have to hop off this Greek island and onto Asia Minor and beyond.


Changing the true meaning of words just to suit one's agenda is a trait of a dictator... I get it alright... You, VP and the other thing are all in the "same bag" ... Radical extremists!


What word's "true" meaning are you more concerned about than the fact the British had offered such a fair solution ? That of "repatriating" back to Turkey, settling or even "resettling" (to their ancestral east) those TCs, who did not, and don't want (like VP etc) to be under the banner of the RoC.

You can wiggle out with the pretext of a worry of a word (your vocabulary limitations) but this British-made proposal of repatriating (since they are 'governed' by Turkey) those TCs - which was offered as the only true long-term solution to the Cyprus problem - could and should now be brought to the table and discussed at the EU.


For Christ sake when was that??? Was that a FACT , or was it just a thought that some insignificant British diplomat expressed?


Well, it is a fact it was proposed:

From the British perspective, as exemplified by the UK Ministry of Defence Deputy Secretary, Frank Motorshead, in his briefing for the Defence and Overseas Policy Committee back in April, 1964:

- In order to solve the Cyprus problem; he suggested Britain and the UN could give "financial and other assistance for the resettling" of Turkish Cypriots (to Turkey or elsewhere).

- Britain considered a Cyprus ceded to Greece, or as a unitary state controlled by the majority GCs, as the ONLY viable solution to the Cyprus problem.


interesting, it was all right for Turks to become British, as in the Treaty of Lausanne, but once they were British, Turkey continued the Stewardship of Turks, finall leading to this accomodation by the British, at least the choice for dwellers to stay, as Cypriots, or leave, as Turks.
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Re: What is needed for recognition?

Postby repulsewarrior » Sun Jan 13, 2013 8:01 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:...should i say, bravo vp! ...in your tiny little world, bigger than any other, the history today can be written, repulsewarrior can be scratched off a list, unforgiven, finally dismissed, because the words spoken were harsh; you must be very proud.

but, what is needed for recognition?

...you personally, is to recognise how this small world is ours, all of us.

...whether you want a small piece (more) for you or not is something less than this fact, you can say that that too goes for all of us. and if you love your island, then, take a look around you, because it was better, and it can belong neither to Turkey, Britain, or Greece, (this is sure), nor can it remain torn in two.

do you honestly believe that without clear words from you, personally, we can agree? as a spokesman announcing to the world, a few words, 5 minutes later so to speak, "Long live the TRNC, thanks to GC ignorance shown in the above posts its look likes it will.", you demean yourself; i speak as a Cypriot, you ignore that, and in a larger sense even that does not matter, because i respect Universal Principals: who are you talking to?

...revenge stops at Bicommunal, it is the compromise, from a Unitary State. there is no asking more without Bad Faith. indeed, "you" don't get it, there is no, "TRNC", because there is no, "GC". There is a Republic, and within it Human Beings who as Persons, have taken the task of defining for the rest of Mankind a Bicommunal Bizonal Federation that can be held in high esteem, and as such emulated.

...i am no "Greek", so do me the kindness, demand a Constituency from them (as i do), so that they can be fought by there equals if it comes to that, in a Political Forum, by the "Turks" if you will, but more importantly everyone else who as Cypriots oppose the extremism in any of this thinking as Nationalists.

one word from you, and suddenly there is a Republic which can take care of its Citizens needs as Human Beings, and not as it is today completely dysfunctional, Bicommunal because there exists a Cypriot State, as well as, two (or more) Constituencies; at least amongst us here and now with you, on this Forum, (that would be a nice start), recognition: and in truth ((and given who reads here/who writes, given the topic, and given the present conversation) (at which point)) if it came to reaching out, there are only about a million people who really count.

...struggle vp, these words mean a lot to me, and as everyone else here, except Lordo (maybe), we are most hopeful you can demonstrate some solidarity with the few of us who really struggle, and who feel hurt enough to treat you, personally, with disdain.


Lets see if we can make progress in your understanding of why I wrote Long live the TRNC.....can you answer why I would post this?



...obviously, you are not going to address the issue, as with many times before, you've led us to believe that a BBF is your aim like most Cypriots who also believe that this step is an honourable compromise. of course, we are (or were) foolish to have such hopes; instead you return to being the wind-up toy barking dogma, doing tricks, for some deep state that cannot even clean up the garbage, let alone what stink as corruption they are making, and that's about it, a sap incapable of Solidarity with other Cypriots outside of your beloved so-called, (and the demands of mama Turkey), "TRNC": Cyprus as such, as in Cypriots, do not even exist, never existed, and are to be dismissed, ignored, because if they are not "Turks", they are "Greeks"

...of course, i can answer why, Cyprus, the island, or its most incredible history of Human endeavour, holds no value to you. nothing is important to you, except a dream which as a consequence has taken to destroying the land as a Heritance toward its "Turkification". deny if you will this fact, you, you personally, must recognise the "who", who you choose to be associated with, to be a better "self", as a Turk, and, as an Individual, because you, you personally, can demonstrate a leadership skill where others fail. as for anyone on this Forum, i choose to be loving, and in your case, i'm rooting for you.

chances are the closest i'll get to a response, like the last time, from you, is a quick and short sentence, a come back line, a huff. and of course i'll try again, if that's the case, not against you, we are, on so many levels, "brothers", but i fight, for Cyprus, i say, Freedom for Cyprus, and, Freedom for Cypriots, too.


repulse you are the one omitting hot air, you did not reply to my simple question of why I said LONG LIVE THE TRNC......please try hard to understand as this would mean you have over the years never really understood my viewpoint.

Its OK for the GCs to reject an internationally support BBF but I reject one put forward by a British yob and all hell lets loose, its a two way street repulse we also have the right reject a BBF that does not suit us, we are not rejecting the ideology but the content which we feel w,ill be dangerous to our future. What is offered must be better than what we have today as the TRNC but all we get is much much worse. In the face of all this negativity from GCs what can we do but cling onto what we have we understand how valuable it is when we read the crap the majority of members post on this forum.


...actually, i answered your question two different ways, who is all this we? i'm not talking to some "government" spokesperson, am i?
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