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[Kikapu]

No you are clearly the moron for stating that the UN EU USA UK Greece etc etc are all corrupt and created the AP to get one over on the GCs, then you demanded a response to why arent these countries and institiution asking for the AP to which I stated because you rejected it on the international platform thats why, no one especially the UN wants to look that stupid for the sake of a few spoilt GCs.. Now you are trying to twist your moronic claims and place your moronic thinking on the TCs.

No, I never said that at all. Just one more thing that you have missed due to your lack of full comprehension of the written English language.

I said few corrupt individuals from these countries and institutions supported the AP to get one over ALL the Cypriots and not just the GCs, by giving Cyprus to Turkey. Cyprus as a sovereign country would not have existed any longer had the AP passed, your dream come true scenario as a native Brit. No wonder you still dream of the AP coming back, but none of the other countries and institutions are supporting it and the few corrupt individuals who had supported the AP from those countries and institutions are no longer there. Good Riddance to them!

[boomerang]

the roc even with her financial woes, is moving forward while the tcs from the north and leaving the place...

anyone asked as to why these tcs moved to the roc in the first place?...and according to the vips their own sworn enemies...?

[repulsewarrior]

there will be a federal finance ministry and state finance ministry, a federal education ministry and a state education ministry, a federal health ministry and a state health ministry. ...thats a lot of public servants for what is almost a third world country.

quite correct SKI-preo, the price of Freedom, the price of Liberty. however a social-economy will exist which allows Cyriots the ability to grow as a functional Sovereign State, and it allows the Constituencies to identify their choices in a manner where their Greekness or Turkishness has as a voice toward improving this nature.

c'est la vie, it seems, you get what you pay for.

[Pyrpolizer]

No you are clearly the moron for stating that the UN EU USA UK Greece etc etc are all corrupt and created the AP to get one over on the GCs, then you demanded a response to why arent these countries and institiution asking for the AP to which I stated because you rejected it on the international platform thats why, no one especially the UN wants to look that stupid for the sake of a few spoilt GCs.. Now you are trying to twist your moronic claims and place your moronic thinking on the TCs.

No, I never said that at all. Just one more thing that you have missed due to your lack of full comprehension of the written English language.

I said few corrupt individuals from these countries and institutions supported the AP to get one over ALL the Cypriots and not just the GCs, by giving Cyprus to Turkey. Cyprus as a sovereign country would not have existed any longer had the AP passed, your dream come true scenario as a native Brit. No wonder you still dream of the AP coming back, but none of the other countries and institutions are supporting it and the few corrupt individuals who had supported the AP from those countries and institutions are no longer there. Good Riddance to them!

VP intentionally overlooks this very basic FACT to endlessly repeat the same distortion telling us that the "UN EU USA UK Greece" (meaning as a whole) have supported the Anan Plan.
None of the parliaments of those countries examined the Anan Plan, they just expressed support from something that presumably came out of the UN, and they assumed it should of have been OK. Who would have ever imagined that the single UN representative from whom it all started was the No1 sold out scum? Everything started from Albaro DeSoto with the backing of Verhoigen on behalf of the EU (another sold scum)
UK and the USA were naturally the designers of all this and had every reason to move behind the scenes with another crook at stage Lord Haney.
As for Greece the country that produces most of the corrupt politicians it was only Costas Mitsotakis the Prime Minister who spent his time at Burgenstock playing backgammon at the lobby. And even himself just asked us to maybe consider accepting it...

Look at what this liar De Soto said in his interview on 31/3/2004 when the Anan Plan was finalized:

Question: Mr. Erdogan told us just a few minutes ago that the agreement has approved his demand for the inclusion of the plan as primary law. Is that so?
A d S: There is actually a reference in the act of adaptation to that but I don’t have the precise details off the top of my head. I’m a little bit groggy - sleepless nights and all that.
Question: You’re a bit evasive, Sir. Surely you must know, is it or isn’t it primary law?
A d S: Well, I don’t know. I don’t have every single word of it. You see, I am not as fast a reader, and certainly not a memorizer, as the people quoted by the gentlemen out there.

[Pyrpolizer]

And then 2 days later (2 April 2004) look what this crook was saying at the UN security Council

The European Union would also have to move quickly to accommodate the terms of the settlement and make way for a reunited Cyprus to accede to the European Union two days later, on 1 May 2004. In this respect, I wish to inform the Council that the European Commissioner for Enlargement, who was at Bürgenstock, has confirmed to the Secretary-General that the European Commission is committed to submitting the act of adaptation of the terms of accession of the United Cyprus Republic to the European Union — which is provided for in the plan — for consideration by the Council of the European Union prior to 24 April 2004, and for its adoption after the successful outcome of the separate simultaneous referendums before 1 May 2004.

Upto here he is just saying that Verhoigen assured him that the EU commission would submit the Anan Plan agreement to the EU council for modifying Cyprus's EU accession terms.The question still remains: who assured or guaranteed to Verhoigen that the Council would accept it?
Let's see what he said there after:

Furthermore, the European Commission is also committed to bringing about a final outcome, without delay, which will result in the adaptation of primary law and ensure legal certainty and security within the European Union legal system for all concerned.

Who ever gave him such a guarantee that the EU would ever make it a primary law? Who told him the final outcome would be as he was presumably promised by the other crook- Verhoigen?

[repulsewarrior]

...it was never read by the voting public, let alone debated.

...as i've said, the Annan Plan was unclear, and it failed on those merits. Annan himself said that it was just a Proposal, his proposal not the UN's.

...even with its failure it proved that Cypriots choose Unity, by voting; new thinking is needed.

[Pyrpolizer]

What they made easily publicly available was those 182 pages that were vague on most part alright and contradictory at many others. However even those 182 pages contained the basic elements of the Anan Plan and it's purpose. What they feared the most was the possibility that the TCs could of have rejected it-by accident

There were some 9000 pages of laws attached to it which the UN were hiding here and there in their web site, but were still available for anyone who was interested. Things in there were crystal clear and that is where our CATASTROPHY was described in detail.
No wonder they disappeared them from their Web Site,soon after the referendum.

[Viewpoint]

You can try and run the AP into the ground as much as you want you can make excuses until the cows come home, the truth is the AP was produced by experts from the UN and EU who headed committees formed by TCs and GCs, this solution was put forward for referendum in front of the international community to both sides, the result carried a 50 50 weight the TCs said Yes the GCs said No.

You appear to be trying to convince yourselves more than anyone else that it was the right thing to do and reject the only opportunity you will get, the only plan ever put to a referendum, the only solution put before the people. You will never ever get such a chance ever again.

[Pyrpolizer]

You are jumping from one point to another.
Yes you are right you will never get such a chance ever again. it's finished-caput-bitti-eteleiiose.
You may kiss it goodbye and lay flowers in its grave once every other day

And btw neither the laws were the result of the committees.

[Viewpoint]

You are jumping from one point to another.
Yes you are right you will never get such a chance ever again. it's finished-caput-bitti-eteleiiose.
You may kiss it goodbye and lay flowers in its grave once every other day

And btw neither the laws were the result of the committees.

And you have lost the north forever.

The committees worked hand in hand with the law makers, were you in any if the committees?