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[bill cobbett]

You people are a joke, you are saying that the UN EU USA UK Greece etc etc are all corrupt, contrived and supported the AP just to use it against the GCs trying to get one over by helping Turkey. Man you are paranoiacs so don't expect people to stupidly follow your lead.

Your explanations are pathetic and a barrage of useless excuses.

You are caught with your pants down again with your lies. Come to think of it, your pants never gets the chance to go up!

Why don't you answer the question as to why these countries and institutions you claim to have supported the AP in 2004 are not asking for the return of the AP now, now that the RoC is a full member of the EU?

Is it because the AP of 2004 is not compatible with the EU Principles?

Yes, these requested derogations got even more ridiculous... the one that sticks in my mind and it's in the appendix to Anan Scam, was a letter to the ECHR requesting opt-outs from the relevant articles of the Convention...!!! Ones that the Scam shat on.

... and does it get any more ridiculous than a Scam having to seek derogations from the ECHR...??? ... rather than having the Articles of the HR Convention at the very heart of a settlement...???

[repulsewarrior]

Repulse your manifesto does not address or does vary vaguely major issues, like properties, rights to free settlement, movement and enterprise in other words basic human rights plus many other important things.
What striked me the most is your point #3 that will basically lead to one side trying to buy 1 voter from the other side, that would eventually lead to either a corrupt system or no president.

Of course my intention is not to criticize you, your effort is appreciated. But i think that on such an important issue it would be nice if the major contributors of this forum presented their own solution proposals. I am thinking of preparing such a proposal, but then again what's the point i have expressed my positions hundreds of times in this sub-forum...

Pyrpolizer, indeed there are elements which need little disscussion, such as Free Movement, Free Expression, and Free Association.

no President, as you suggest, is possible, and it would require another election to settle this issue without any other protocol for it, but the issue itself is mute, as i explained to vp, it is near impossible for the Upper House to split by ethnic lines. i must add however, that the Lower House voting by Consensus, can take this presence if a Bill is that offensive to them; any Bill which reflects a discrimination or distinction on a Cypriot Constituency, will receive the same scrutiny.

a Greek Party, cannot win Leadership of the House without a population to vote for them. thus, a Party like Elam may win some seats because they can target the electoral ridings where they have the greatest chances, and have a voice; naturally a Turkish equivalent will win some seats as well, but only Parties whose ideological scope goes beyond a Nationalistic will, as Cypriot Parties (if you will), have a chance to capture support from the population as a whole. indeed if these Parties become corrupt, an elitist oligarchy themselves, the opportunity for a fracturous House is increased, and their power is diminished as the disatisfaction of the Population expresses itself; again, not necessarily bad, just as a two edged sword, in the History of a State as a line of Governments, this function cuts both ways.

if you wouldn't mind Pyrpolizer, i will move this post to the manifesto thingy thread, and i would like you to comment point by point on the articles, as vp most graciously did, thank-you.

[SKI-preo]

there will be a federal finance ministry and state finance ministry, a federal education ministry and a state education ministry, a federal health ministry and a state health ministry. ...thats a lot of public servants for what is almost a third world country.

[Viewpoint]

You people are a joke, you are saying that the UN EU USA UK Greece etc etc are all corrupt, contrived and supported the AP just to use it against the GCs trying to get one over by helping Turkey. Man you are paranoiacs so don't expect people to stupidly follow your lead.

Your explanations are pathetic and a barrage of useless excuses.

You are caught with your pants down again with your lies. Come to think of it, your pants never gets the chance to go up!

Why don't you answer the question as to why these countries and institutions you claim to have supported the AP in 2004 are not asking for the return of the AP now, now that the RoC is a full member of the EU?

Is it because the AP of 2004 is not compatible with the EU Principles?

No you moron its because you rejected it, are you a pervert? you appear to attach a sexual conertation to the majority of your posts, were you raped as a child? you must have suffered some sort of sexual trauma.

[Viewpoint]

You people are a joke, you are saying that the UN EU USA UK Greece etc etc are all corrupt, contrived and supported the AP just to use it against the GCs trying to get one over by helping Turkey. Man you are paranoiacs so don't expect people to stupidly follow your lead.

Your explanations are pathetic and a barrage of useless excuses.

You are caught with your pants down again with your lies. Come to think of it, your pants never gets the chance to go up!

Why don't you answer the question as to why these countries and institutions you claim to have supported the AP in 2004 are not asking for the return of the AP now, now that the RoC is a full member of the EU?

Is it because the AP of 2004 is not compatible with the EU Principles?

Yes, these requested derogations got even more ridiculous... the one that sticks in my mind and it's in the appendix to Anan Scam, was a letter to the ECHR requesting opt-outs from the relevant articles of the Convention...!!! Ones that the Scam shat on.

... and does it get any more ridiculous than a Scam having to seek derogations from the ECHR...??? ... rather than having the Articles of the HR Convention at the very heart of a settlement...???

If you reject something in front of the international community and are called out on it of course you have to make up shit load of excuses, you people are pathetic.

[Maximus]

There are no excuses on this VP, just telling it as it is and you can think whatever you want to think.

[Kikapu]

You people are a joke, you are saying that the UN EU USA UK Greece etc etc are all corrupt, contrived and supported the AP just to use it against the GCs trying to get one over by helping Turkey. Man you are paranoiacs so don't expect people to stupidly follow your lead.

Your explanations are pathetic and a barrage of useless excuses.

You are caught with your pants down again with your lies. Come to think of it, your pants never gets the chance to go up!

Why don't you answer the question as to why these countries and institutions you claim to have supported the AP in 2004 are not asking for the return of the AP now, now that the RoC is a full member of the EU?

Is it because the AP of 2004 is not compatible with the EU Principles?

No you moron its because you rejected it, are you a pervert? you appear to attach a sexual conertation to the majority of your posts, were you raped as a child? you must have suffered some sort of sexual trauma.

So let me get this straight so that we know who the moron is here?

According to you the EU supported the AP and when the GCs said OXI to it, the EU got so mad at the GCs, the EU punished the GCs by accepting the RoC into the EU as a full member.

The rest of the countries and institutions that had supported the AP according to you also "punished" the GCs by refusing to recognise or trade with the "trnc" directly as it was promised by these countries and institutions to do so if the TCs + settlers said YES to the AP.

So, according to you, for everything the GCs did against the wishes of the countries and institutions on the AP, the GCs got rewarded for saying OXI and the TCs + settlers got punished for saying YES to the AP.

Now who is the moron in believing in your own fairy stories.

[Viewpoint]

No you are clearly the moron for stating that the UN EU USA UK Greece etc etc are all corrupt and created the AP to get one over on the GCs, then you demanded a response to why arent these countries and institiution asking for the AP to which I stated because you rejected it on the international platform thats why, no one especially the UN wants to look that stupid for the sake of a few spoilt GCs.. Now you are trying to twist your moronic claims and place your moronic thinking on the TCs.

[boomerang]

No you are clearly the moron for stating that the UN EU USA UK Greece etc etc are all corrupt and created the AP to get one over on the GCs, then you demanded a response to why arent these countries and institiution asking for the AP to which I stated because you rejected it on the international platform thats why, no one especially the UN wants to look that stupid for the sake of a few spoilt GCs.. Now you are trying to twist your moronic claims and place your moronic thinking on the TCs.

regardless what ever anyone thought of the ref, it was agreed if the desired result was not achieved it was NULL and VOID...it looks to me you need more time to get used to the idea...

can't help wondering though, if the situation was reversed, would the tcs voted "yes"...?

[Maximus]

no they wouldn't and its the law of the jungle until they get what they want.