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[DrCyprus]

Jews GROUPED themselves around a religion so what exactly did “Greeks” group themselves around if there was no country?

Around both their religion and language.

The Greek speaking population of Cyprus actually helped the Ottomans kick the Venetians out on the promise that they would allow them to practice Orthodox Christianity. Most matters of the Greek speaking Rayas were handled internally by the Orthodox Church and that was not only allowed but also sponsored by the Ottoman sultan. The language of the Orthodox church of Cyprus was Koine Greek.

Once the Ottoman Empire settled, and all the way up to 1820 the Ottoman Sultan considered his Rum/Yunan as an asset to the Ottoman Empire and many Greek Speaking Ottoman subjects attained great status within the Empire. It's documented and true that when the Ottoman Sultan learned that the Greeks decided to fight for their independence he was all surprised, hurt and angry. He felt betrayed because in his eyes he had let these Rum/Yunan get away with too many priviledges and they were paying him back in this way.

Greece was created out of the Greek speaking populations of the Ottoman Empire. All the propaganda your churning is a Turkish creation of the last 100 years.

Now, what about all the Christian Assyrians around the world? They have no country, yet they have an identity. How does Turkish propaganda explain their existence and justify the Turkish attempts to genocide them?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_Genocide

[GreekIslandGirl]

The Greek speaking population of Cyprus actually helped the Ottomans kick the Venetians out on the promise that they would allow them to practice Orthodox Christianity.

Do you have any historical sources for this "help" and this deal struck on a "promise"?

[DrCyprus]

The Greek speaking population of Cyprus actually helped the Ottomans kick the Venetians out on the promise that they would allow them to practice Orthodox Christianity.

Do you have any historical sources for this "help" and this deal struck on a "promise"?

The best and most reliable source I can give you is the series of books called ''Ιστορία της νήσου Κύπρου'' by 'Αντρος Παυλίδης. If you can't be bothered to find, buy and read the books then there also used to be a series of documentaries by him on CYBC 1 and 2. Perhaps, if we ask them nicely, they'll bother enough to make them available online.

[GreekIslandGirl]

The Greek speaking population of Cyprus actually helped the Ottomans kick the Venetians out on the promise that they would allow them to practice Orthodox Christianity.

Do you have any historical sources for this "help" and this deal struck on a "promise"?

The best and most reliable source I can give you is the series of books called ''Ιστορία της νήσου Κύπρου'' by 'Αντρος Παυλίδης. If you can't be bothered to find, buy and read the books then there also used to be a series of documentaries by him on CYBC 1 and 2. Perhaps, if we ask them nicely, they'll bother enough to make them available online.

Scan the relevant passages from your books.

But since there are no specific or other sources, sounds like fiction to me ....

[DrCyprus]

The Greek speaking population of Cyprus actually helped the Ottomans kick the Venetians out on the promise that they would allow them to practice Orthodox Christianity.

Do you have any historical sources for this "help" and this deal struck on a "promise"?

The best and most reliable source I can give you is the series of books called ''Ιστορία της νήσου Κύπρου'' by 'Αντρος Παυλίδης. If you can't be bothered to find, buy and read the books then there also used to be a series of documentaries by him on CYBC 1 and 2. Perhaps, if we ask them nicely, they'll bother enough to make them available online.

Scan the relevant passages from your books.

They're all back home, alongside the old VHS tapes the documentaries were recorded on.

I'll email CYBC, maybe they have a scheduled rerun for the documentaries or are willing to make them available online.

[GreekIslandGirl]

So this historical *fact* is only something you recall from a documentary? Some film-maker's opinion!

[DrCyprus]

So this historical *fact* is only something you recall from a documentary? Some film-maker's opinion!

You don't know who Andros Paulides is, do you?

If you are truly interested about the history of Cyprus ask your relatives, friends and the local library if they have copies of 'Η μεγάλη Κυπριακή Εγκυκλοπαίδεια'. That's where you'll get this information and more.

For any other information on either the credibility of Andros Paulides or his encyclopedia and documentaries use google.com.cy

[Get Real!]

In 1820 there were no Greeks anywhere on this planet!

Where did you read that? I bet it wasn't Encyclopaedia Britannica.

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/244575/War-of-Greek-Independence

If a country called "Greece" did not exist (prior to 1831-ish) then how can a people prior to that date, be called "Greeks"?

Is being "Greek" a religion like Jews? Jews can say “we have always existed even though there was no country called Judea because our group is ethno-religious” but "Greeks" are ethno ONLY... and the problem being there was NO ETHNOS by that name!!!!!

Jews GROUPED themselves around a religion so what exactly did “Greeks” group themselves around if there was no country?

Sheep shagging?

So there are no Kurds and Cypriots didn't not exist until 1960

Cyprus, being an island was always NATURALLY bordered and so like every other island, was among the first of “countries” (kingdoms) to be established on the planet many thousands of years ago.

However, in the case of mainland countries like Greece… up to the early 1800s there was still no such country so if you don’t have an ETHNOS then you cannot possibly have a people!

As for the Kurds, they’re in fact Iranians or Persians if you like.

[GreekIslandGirl]

So this historical *fact* is only something you recall from a documentary? Some film-maker's opinion!

You don't know who Andros Paulides is, do you?

If you are truly interested about the history of Cyprus ask your relatives, friends and the local library if they have copies of 'Η μεγάλη Κυπριακή Εγκυκλοπαίδεια'. That's where you'll get this information and more.

For any other information on either the credibility of Andros Paulides or his encyclopedia and documentaries use google.com.cy

I'm not questioning this author's credentials, but your ability to paraphrase or to provide good historical sources to back up your claims. Why don't you just find the little passage which refers to what you are trying to pass off as something from this book. Alternatively, if it is part of our history it should be verifiable by other good sources.