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[supporttheunderdog]

and the latest,,,,

Wind farms will create more carbon dioxide, say scientists - Telegraph
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/windpower/9889882/Wind-farms-will-create-more-carbon-dioxide-say-scientists.html

And it will be ignored like all the other evidence about what a poor power source wind is...

Meanwhile Germany builds coal-fired power stations as fast as she can....

We must be stupid...

How infuriating it is being stupid.

I don’t understand global how warming will make sea levels rise, for a start. I remember well my antediluvian physics lessons in which we were told water expands as it freezes. And geography lessons in which we were told that nine tenths of an iceberg was below the water. Why then if ice-bergs are melting will the sea-water not become lower (Especially as more heat would mean more evaporation)?

But my imbecility doesn’t stop there. I wonder why carbon dioxide is the devil when the biggest greenhouse gas is water vapour? Then methane. And carbon dioxide makes up 0.033 per cent of the atmosphere. And man-made CO2 is 0.03 per cent of the total.

And I don’t understand how wind turbines could ever power an industrial nation. I sail a boat. The wind comes, it goes, it blows too hard, it doesn’t blow hard enough. Denmark is covered in wind turbines and hasn’t decommissioned one conventional power station. Remember sailing ships? And how long it took them to sail around the world? And think of an oil-powered cargo ship carrying fifty times the load? So why doesn’t that power discrepancy occur when it comes to creating electricity?

Stupid me. Don’t understand.

I don’t understand why buses are greener than cars. Given they put out thirty-four times the emissions, and given they keep trundling up and down their routes regardless of how many people are on them.

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A point overlooked is that a lot of the ice that would melt is on land in EG Greenland and the Antarctic, etc, and that would ultimately flow into the sea, which result in a net increase in volume of the sea.

Thast said, Wind power is not a viable/reliable alternative to most other means of power production and at best will be complementary.

[cyprusgrump]

I notice that five of the wind turbines I can see from my house are not working today....

I wonder if they were damaged by the... um... wind last night?

[Nikitas]

Cyprusgrump, follow the money and you will solve the Windfarm puzzle. It will take you all the way back to... Germany.

Only idiots would contend that wind farms solve the energy crisis. Simply because wind farms cannot stand alone, they must be backed up by "hot" reserve power plants, and these can only be gas plants. Coal cannot be a "hot" back up, it takes too long to get a generator going, gas is instant and fits the need to kick in as wind dies down. Ergo- wind farms must be built in tandem with gas power plants, which must work on tickover all the time. There goes the touted CO2 reduction.

THe green jobs bullshit was dispelled by the CEO of Vestas, the Danish wind farm maker who last year fired 1200 people and announced plans to move manufacturing to China.

As for the photovoltaic sector, Sun Tech, the Chinese giant maker of PV panels, yesterday announced their bankruptcy and Bosch announced that they are pulling out of the sector altogether for financial reasons.

Alternatives cannot produce economically viable power yet. They depend on Feed In Tarrifs, ie taxes on the consumer to work. Industries built on imposed subsidies are a scam.

The bird problem is the last thing envirofreaks want to discuss right now. They are plugged into the FIT and making money from the scam. Check how many high earners are working in the executive offices of WWF, Greenpeace, Friends of the Earth and other such "lobbying" groups. Many of these people manage to move from NGOs to high salary positions in Renewables industries and vice versa. Meanwhile there is an unparalleled slaughter going on around wind farm sites, to such an extent that the University of California has started a new branch of ecological study, that of the death fields around wind farms which have become the main feeding point for carrion eaters who are in turn killed by turbines or nearby traffic. All this inorder to control, something doubtful anyway, a trace gas which forms less than 1 per cent of the atmosphere.

[cyprusgrump]

Cyprusgrump, follow the money and you will solve the Windfarm puzzle. It will take you all the way back to... Germany.

Only idiots would contend that wind farms solve the energy crisis. Simply because wind farms cannot stand alone, they must be backed up by "hot" reserve power plants, and these can only be gas plants. Coal cannot be a "hot" back up, it takes too long to get a generator going, gas is instant and fits the need to kick in as wind dies down. Ergo- wind farms must be built in tandem with gas power plants, which must work on tickover all the time. There goes the touted CO2 reduction.

THe green jobs bullshit was dispelled by the CEO of Vestas, the Danish wind farm maker who last year fired 1200 people and announced plans to move manufacturing to China.

As for the photovoltaic sector, Sun Tech, the Chinese giant maker of PV panels, yesterday announced their bankruptcy and Bosch announced that they are pulling out of the sector altogether for financial reasons.

Alternatives cannot produce economically viable power yet. They depend on Feed In Tarrifs, ie taxes on the consumer to work. Industries built on imposed subsidies are a scam.

The bird problem is the last thing envirofreaks want to discuss right now. They are plugged into the FIT and making money from the scam. Check how many high earners are working in the executive offices of WWF, Greenpeace, Friends of the Earth and other such "lobbying" groups. Many of these people manage to move from NGOs to high salary positions in Renewables industries and vice versa. Meanwhile there is an unparalleled slaughter going on around wind farm sites, to such an extent that the University of California has started a new branch of ecological study, that of the death fields around wind farms which have become the main feeding point for carrion eaters who are in turn killed by turbines or nearby traffic. All this inorder to control, something doubtful anyway, a trace gas which forms less than 1 per cent of the atmosphere.

Oh, rest assured it is no puzzle to me... I can see right through the renewables scam....

Hence my delight at the machines which are supposed to draw power from the wind being broken by the wind...

[cyprusgrump]

Still not working...

Followers of the renewables farce will know that when there is no wind they have to turn the blades (using electricity from the grid) to stop them distorting...

Yet these are not moving at all...

I make that a 11% failure rate due to wind!

Luckily, the conventional generating capacity survived....

[kurupetos]

Still not working...

Followers of the renewables farce will know that when there is no wind they have to turn the blades (using electricity from the grid) to stop them distorting...

Yet these are not moving at all...

I make that a 11% failure rate due to wind!

Luckily, the conventional generating capacity survived....

It's probably a couple of screws that need tightening...

[cyprusgrump]

Still not working/rotating/generating....

[CBBB]

I get it about wind farms and photovoltaic, but what about Home Fuel Cells?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_fuel_cell

[cyprusgrump]

I get it about wind farms and photovoltaic, but what about Home Fuel Cells?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_fuel_cell

CHP systems can work well...

I'm basically in favour of anything that doesn't require a subsidy from the taxpayer...

[kurupetos]

I get it about wind farms and photovoltaic, but what about Home Fuel Cells?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_fuel_cell

Fuel cells are engines, which don't require RES to work, just H2, which can be produced from CH4 (i.e. natural gas).

Nuclear energy is a far better solution because of its dual use (see Iran).