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[bill cobbett]

A person born in Cyprus on or after the 16th day of August 1960 shall be a citizen of the Republic if at the time of this person's birth any one of his parents was a citizen of the Republic or, in case at the time of birth his parents were not alive, any one of them would, but for his or her death, have been entitled to become a citizen of the Republic.

So at least one of your parents needs to be Cypriot. Just being born in Cyprus does not entitle you to a Cypriot citizenship. Otherwise every Turkish Settler born in Cyprus would be entitled to RoC citizenship!

Sotos me dear... what was said was... it's that the law from 1967 that would have been modified by EU Entry, would have been modified by judgments of the ECJ, would have been modified by judgments of the ECHR...

Sorry but it ain't as simple as selecting a single paragraph from the 1967 law... you have to look at dozens and dozens of other documents and loadsa case law to answer your question...

BUT... to put it very simply again... Anyone Born in CY = CY Citizens automatically.

... but in the case of Settlers, which is what we're talking about ... a settler child born in CY gets the CY citizenship automatically but the parents who have moved there from Turkey don't get the citizenship unless they make a successful application for it or ... unless they succeed in proving an Article 8 violation at the ECHR... the Right to Family Life.

Thank you Bill for the information. It seems I wasn't totally right on the plane/ship case

Leaving aside EU laws, etc, How on earth did you conclude the highlighted red part?
I think the law says exactly the opposite.
In fact in 2 occasions it says that if ANY of the parents entered the Republic illegally, then the child is not entitled to citizenship

Provided that the provisions of this sub-section do not apply, unless the Council of Ministers otherwise orders, to cases where the entry into or stay in Cyprus of any one of the parents of the said person was illegal.

Furthermore according to the law settlers can only APPLY for naturalization, but then again even if they fulfill all the criteria this doesn't mean the Council of Ministers has to accept such massive numbers that change the demographics of Cyprus.

My conclusion is that the settlers either born in Cyprus or not are NOT entitled of Citizenship.
Am I missing something?

... am also having serious second thoughts on what I said earlier about what is called "jus soli" by lawyers, the right to citizenship by birth... it varies from one country to another. It applies in the USA but more research needed as to how it applies in the EU, so far research is that it varies from one member-state to another...

[Pyrpolizer]

Hey there guys, thank you for your kind words.

I'd like to add some more historical light to the whole 'Greek and Turkish Cypriot origins' deal.

Throughout Ottoman history the muslims of Cyprus (whether they were ethnic Turks who migrated to Cyprus or Christians who converted to Islam) were only marginally better off than your average Rayah. The Ottoman Sultans hardly ever gave a single shit about Cyprus and the people living there. As long as the taxes were coming in everything was 'in order'.

(Being a Turk in Cyprus still had its perks. You didn't have to pay the child tax and you had a lesser percentage of your goods taken).

Throughout the reign of the Ottoman empire these Ottoman Cypriots joined in with the Byzantine Cypriots and rioted/fought/demanded rights together. Effectively, many times they were also slaughtered and silenced by Ottoman troops together.

In effect, under all the intense hardship, and even during British rule, we put our differences aside and worked and lived together. This was of course because we had something in common then, something that allowed us to relate to each other... we were both more or less getting fucked by someone else.

The true segregation of the peoples of Cyprus started when our two groups began receiving education. The teachers of Greek and Turkish Cypriots came from Greece and Turkey respectively. Sometimes the teachers were just ignorant christian/muslim priests.

The Greek Cypriots were told that they are the descendants of Hercules, Ulysses and Alexander the Great and that mother Greece was calling them.

The Turkish Cypriots were told that they are the descendants of a proud Ottoman empire of which they were an essential part.

In effect both Greece and Turkey wanted to eventually take the island for themselves and their ambition shines through the education they decided to impart at the time.

If anyone ever in this world had wanted Cypriots to stop being Turkish and Greek and just be Cypriots they would have had imparted history in a radically different and more brotherly way.

Get your asses off your stupid TVs and go read some Cypriot history. Don't base your entire opinions on high school textbooks and the opinions of foreigners.

Very well said again.
I would like to add that there are also many lies in our history books, for example during the Ottoman period the so called "kryfo scholio"=sectret school-->getting basic education hidden in some underground room under the light of a candle was A LIE. It never happened.

I think they already removed that from history text books?

[Pyrpolizer]

To realize the extend of distortion of our history books (the GC ones until today and those used by the TCs before 2005) read this from page from page 5 to 12
http://file.prio.no/Publication_files/C ... %20low.pdf

[supporttheunderdog]

the bottom line is those Born in CY are CY citizens As of Right.

Are you sure that this is the law?

I know for sure that if a woman gives birth inside a plane or ship within the territorial waters or airspace of ANY country, the child is entitled of Citizenship of that country.

I think you will find that only few countries will automatically grant citizenship to those born there if a parent is not a citizen, and for most countries the nationality will be that of the parents: being born on a ship or plane makes no difference... My girlies, though born and bred in Limassol, are Russian British dual nationality.

[yialousa1971]

The issue of Greeks converting to Islam is exaggerated (historical revisionism) by the TCs in order to establish some continuity to the island and its native inhabitants of thousands of years. The reality is that even by the time the British took over the island (after a few centuries of harsh Turkish rule), the vast majority were, and still are, Greek Christians. The few Muslims, remaining on Cyprus at that "handover" time, were singled out as Turks by the British. So there was never any great sweep of conversion to Islam by the Greek natives as there would have been many more muslims identified by the British. There would also have been a huge reversal immediately following British rule but there is no evidence for such behaviour and it's something the British would have noticed and catalogued. Either way, if crypto-Christians converted back to Christianity upon British rule, they are part of the GC community now and not the TC "community". The TC "community" was, and still is, the hard core Ottoman non-integrating, war-mongering Muslim posse.

Remember this:-

On 8 June 1949, the “Halkin Sesi” newspaper of the Turkish
minority reported that the British Acting Governor R.E.
Turnbull issued a circular, instructing the replacement of
the term “Muslims of Cyprus” (the term used by the British
Administration till then), with the term “Turkish Cypriots”.

[Pyrpolizer]

ahhhh lazy people, you did not even read one single page...

More attention is given to this issue in the secondary schoolbook on Medieval/
Modern history, which employs a number of secondary sources with titles like “The Greek
Origin of Turkish Cypriots” arguing that Turkish Cypriots are primarily descendants of
islamicized Greeks in Cyprus and that even the people initially brought over from Anatolia
by the Ottoman authorities were themselves originally of Greek stock.33 Irrespective of the
historical extent of conversions, this is an essentialist argument that relies on principles of
racial descent as determining identity, with the term “race (phyli)” being uncritically presented
in a number of cases in the schoolbooks.34 This argument denies identity to Turkish Cypriots
and consequently it denies them the possibility of positing any political claims since they do
The interest in the descent of Turkish Cypriots emerged
among Greek Cypriot historians during the tumultuous period of the 1960s and, once their
“Greek origin” was established, it was argued that they should be “incorporated
(afomoiothoun)” back into the Greek community and that, given that they too were in reality
Greeks, then Union with Greece was absolutely legitimate.35 Needless to say, the “Greeks
of Cyprus” are presented as unproblematically Greek throughout history and no questions
regarding their descent/origin are ever raised.36 Unsurprisingly, they are pressingly raised
in the Turkish Cypriot schoolbooks.

[GreekIslandGirl]

ahhhh lazy people, you did not even read one single page...

More attention is given to this issue in the secondary schoolbook on Medieval/
Modern history, which employs a number of secondary sources with titles like “The Greek
Origin of Turkish Cypriots” arguing that Turkish Cypriots are primarily descendants of
islamicized Greeks in Cyprus and that even the people initially brought over from Anatolia
by the Ottoman authorities were themselves originally of Greek stock.33 Irrespective of the
historical extent of conversions, this is an essentialist argument that relies on principles of
racial descent as determining identity, with the term “race (phyli)” being uncritically presented
in a number of cases in the schoolbooks.34 This argument denies identity to Turkish Cypriots
and consequently it denies them the possibility of positing any political claims since they do
The interest in the descent of Turkish Cypriots emerged
among Greek Cypriot historians during the tumultuous period of the 1960s and, once their
“Greek origin” was established, it was argued that they should be “incorporated
(afomoiothoun)” back into the Greek community and that, given that they too were in reality
Greeks, then Union with Greece was absolutely legitimate.35 Needless to say, the “Greeks
of Cyprus” are presented as unproblematically Greek throughout history and no questions
regarding their descent/origin are ever raised.36 Unsurprisingly, they are pressingly raised
in the Turkish Cypriot schoolbooks.

PRIO is notoriously pro-Turkish and the few pages I read suggest the author is unable to remain neutral and academic.

[GreekIslandGirl]

The issue of Greeks converting to Islam is exaggerated (historical revisionism) by the TCs in order to establish some continuity to the island and its native inhabitants of thousands of years. The reality is that even by the time the British took over the island (after a few centuries of harsh Turkish rule), the vast majority were, and still are, Greek Christians. The few Muslims, remaining on Cyprus at that "handover" time, were singled out as Turks by the British. So there was never any great sweep of conversion to Islam by the Greek natives as there would have been many more muslims identified by the British. There would also have been a huge reversal immediately following British rule but there is no evidence for such behaviour and it's something the British would have noticed and catalogued. Either way, if crypto-Christians converted back to Christianity upon British rule, they are part of the GC community now and not the TC "community". The TC "community" was, and still is, the hard core Ottoman non-integrating, war-mongering Muslim posse.

Remember this:-

On 8 June 1949, the “Halkin Sesi” newspaper of the Turkish
minority reported that the British Acting Governor R.E.
Turnbull issued a circular, instructing the replacement of
the term “Muslims of Cyprus” (the term used by the British
Administration till then), with the term “Turkish Cypriots”.

Exactly. There was also a BBC archive film which refers to this.

[Lordo]

what about asking the turkish cypriots what they would like to be refered as. considering they are not particulaly religous i would have hard hat on when you suggest you call them muslims of cyprus.

[DrCyprus]

what about asking the turkish cypriots what they would like to be refered as. considering they are not particulaly religous i would have hard hat on when you suggest you call them muslims of cyprus.

I bet the majority want to be called 'The league of legends' but there's still a small minority who holds onto the idea of calling themselves 'The heroes of newerth'.