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[GreekIslandGirl]

Greeks invent porn,,,,,

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Mass Culture, Culture Industry, and Porn « Pornography
http://blockblogblock.wordpress.com/2010/09/03/mass-culture-culture-industry-and-porn/

They cannot have invented something which you earlier said you "brought" with you from your common "ape-like ancestors" that you "share with monkeys and Chimps".

[supporttheunderdog]

Greeks invent porn,,,,,

porn.jpg

Mass Culture, Culture Industry, and Porn « Pornography
http://blockblogblock.wordpress.com/2010/09/03/mass-culture-culture-industry-and-porn/

They cannot have invented something which you earlier said you "brought" with you from your common "ape-like ancestors" that you "share with monkeys and Chimps".

Flawed Analysis: Greeks did not invent sex and sex is not pornography but they do seem to have taken delight in producing lurid depictions of sex, which is, the craft skills necessary for making pots and painting the images being artificial and learned, not an inherent genetic trait.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Greeks invent porn,,,,,

porn.jpg

Mass Culture, Culture Industry, and Porn « Pornography
http://blockblogblock.wordpress.com/2010/09/03/mass-culture-culture-industry-and-porn/

They cannot have invented something which you earlier said you "brought" with you from your common "ape-like ancestors" that you "share with monkeys and Chimps".

Flawed Analysis: Greeks did not invent sex and sex is not pornography but they do seem to have taken delight in producing lurid depictions of sex, which is, the craft skills necessary for making pots and painting the images being artificial and learned, not an inherent genetic trait.

It's not flawed analysis if I used the comments you made only yesterday to show how they contradict what you said today. It's you who is flawed.

So now you're saying you were even wrong for describing it as pornography? Fine! But you're the one who presented this as such. Make your *mind* up!

As for taking "delight" - it's you who delights in posting pornography or sex (call it what you will depending on the time).

And, now, as to the last clause in your ramblings; how do you know Man's ability for making things and decorating them is not an "inherent genetic trait"? That Man's drive to become skilled in these activities/crafts is not an "inherent genetic trait"? And why is anything "learned" not contributed to by "inherent genetic traits"?

[supporttheunderdog]

Is what you and your sexual partner(s)of choice get up to in private pornograhic? the particular acts you might indulge may be thought by some to be kinky or perverted but unless representations were reproduced in pictures or pots or described in a book (or you do it in public ) with the intention of sexually titillating the observer, then it is not pornographic.

pornography is the portrayal or display of sexual acts, not the act itself.!

and tell me, how did you develop the skills of writing and drawing?

why are we not all Leornado di Vinci's or Pablo Piccasos?

You may have been born with an opposable thumb ( a unique human and non dinosaur characteristic ) which gave you the physical capability of holding and manipulating a pencil but I bet you were taught how to hold a pencil in the best way possible (or learned by trial and error) then had to spend hours and hours practicing how to write and draw to get it right,

And I bet any children of yours were taught or learnt the same way....

The Greeks after all did not develop the skill of writing, that is to say the artificial skill of converting sounds in a graphical representation using a systematic set of signs, until they learnt the idea from the Non-Greek Minoans and adapted the non Greek Linear A to make Greek linear B, a skill which they then forgot 300 or 400 years later only to relearn the idea from the non Greek Phoenicians.

[GreekIslandGirl]

The reason those classical Greek depictions would NOT nowadays be classed as "pornography" is that pornography is defined as depictions with little or no artistic merit. Since, by virtue of their very, very early production, in Man's civilisation, they are deemed as of immense artistic value, they cannot also be classed as "pornographic". So you are quite wrong on that score!

As for the developing of skills for writing and drawing; are you once again doing a speedy about turn on the fact you said they could not be attributed to any "inherent genetic traits"?

(Beware; your lack of understanding of evolution and development is about to unzip you again. )

[GreekIslandGirl]

the physical capability of holding and manipulating a pencil but I bet you were taught how to hold a pencil in the best way possible (or learned by trial and error) then had to spend hours and hours practicing how to write and draw to get it right,

Do you believe some children "get it right" faster than others? Do you believe most human children get it right faster than Chimp infants? Do you still believe there are no "inherent genetic traits" for "skills"?

[supporttheunderdog]

Human Children learn faster and better than chimps (but at different rates) as they have better brains) and opposable thumbs: the basic physical capability to be move ones fingers to hold a pencil is inherited: Children do however still have to learn (and at different rates|) the techniques of how one holds a pencil, and the actual ability of how one uses a pencil to best effect is a learnt craft skill and that is the key point, that craft skills are learned or taught, not inherited.

If craft skills (ie the use of specific techniques to do certain tasks) were inherited we would all be potters, blacksmiths, painters, etc, and we would not need teachers or books to teach us how do do these things. The fact however that the techniques must be learned or taught (and usually practiced) and that skills can be lost as thy are no longer taught is the clearest indication that they are not inherited,

As to porn, what is portrayed as Art may well be very beautifully produced with considerable technical skill (and I agree these vases and the images upon them are very well made with a very high degree of technical skill and artistic merit) (and which the artists no doubt spent a long time learning or being taught) but eg the oxford dictionary definition does not take the quality of the work into account and where it involves the graphic description or depiction of sexual acts it is still in essence pornography: artistic merit has often been used as an opportunity to portray sexual acts in a socially acceptable fashion.

Whether there is anything wrong with pornography is another matter: .

(nudes are not necessarily pornographic - it depends what the people portrayed are up to as people can be fully clothed but still be in a pornographic portrayal)
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[GreekIslandGirl]

Once again....

[quote]And, now, as to the last clause in your ramblings; how do you know Man's ability for making things and decorating them is not an "inherent genetic trait"? That Man's drive to become skilled in these activities/crafts is not an "inherent genetic trait"? And why is anything "learned" not contributed to by "inherent genetic traits"?[/quote]

[supporttheunderdog]

So you now have down a complete turnaround on ALL points!

(Apart from a few very stupid asides of your own. How "retarded" were you classed at school?))

If that is the best you can do you really are a sad piece of humanity. As usual nothing objective only abuse - there is no change in my position, just a flawed analysis and willful misrepresentation by you, matched by an inability on you part to argue in a rational fashion.

It is not instinctive and there is nothing inherited about the techniques of how one holds and uses a pencil to best effect to make a picture, that is a craft skill which is taught or learned. .It is to be distinguished from the physiological potentiality to hold a pencil which is in inherited. The flaw in you analysis is by confusing the inherited potentiality with the non inherited development of technique. .

that is the point you are evading addressing, why do we need books and/or teachers to teach us to eg read, write, make pots, carve wood, paint, etc., and that is because the ability to actually do these things is NOT inherited .

[GreekIslandGirl]

Once again....

And, now, as to the last clause in your ramblings; how do you know Man's ability for making things and decorating them is not an "inherent genetic trait"? That Man's drive to become skilled in these activities/crafts is not an "inherent genetic trait"? And why is anything "learned" not contributed to by "inherent genetic traits"?[/quote]

Well?