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[Me Ed]

It's wierd BigOz, that Turks don't actually look Turkic at all.

[supporttheunderdog]

What a fucking stupid argument this your are running. ,(and people said elsewhere you were intelligent?) And yes the word fucking is entirely apposite because for this fucking miracle to have taken place a dinosaur must have fucked a mammal and produced off spring.

Fucking hilarious..... :

I am very well aware of what a common ancestor is , also the concept of last common ancestor (or concestor).

The point remains that while mammals and reptiles form a part of a group called Amniota and share a common ancestor, this last common ancestor was dated back to about 300 million years ago, with the separation occurring long before dinosaurs came about: indeed mammals are Classed as Synapsida and reptiles as Sauropsida: by the time Dinosaurs (a sub class of Sauropsida,) came about they were far too genetically distinct for successful interbreeding to have taken place. They were not the same species

[GreekIslandGirl]

I see you googled "concestor", upon my advice. It did come with a warning.

- Methinks you have some self-esteem issues. The ego takes a bashing when faced with the reality of how close we are genetically, not just to dinosaurs (something you keep avoiding answering truthfully), but even an onion ...

We're all simply A ... T ... G ... C ...

No one's asking you to interbreed with reptiles, god forbid. Don't cry.

(BTW - there are too many errors in your attempt to summarise what you read but it's too much work to put you straight.)

[bigOz]

It's wierd BigOz, that Turks don't actually look Turkic at all.

I quite agree with that. That is inevitable when the invading people settle in an area and breed with the locals. This was more so relevant when the Ottomans mixed in with the whole of North Africa, the Middle East, the Balkans, and most of Eastern Europe (including Greece) as well as most of Russian satellite republics of today (Tatarstan, Ukraine, Georgia, Azerbeijan etc.). It was an empire built by one of the stronger better organised Turkic groups that invaded the area during those times. As one of the longest lasting Empires of the world, it is inevitable that the looks had changed over the centuries - they ruled the area for more than 600 years!

I think the very definition of an empire would cater for that - ruling of many ethnic populations and religions by a Monarch. But this mix up was not first in history. (3rd - 6th Century AD) The Huns (formed by Turkic tribes from the East) who ventured as far as France in the West and Scandinavia in the North, had stayed in the Slavic parts of Europe and adopted Christian religion in the following centuries - genetically speaking, good proportion of the occupants of the areas they ocupied are now descendants of the invaders back then!

Cengiz Kaan whose armies were reputed to be made up of the Turkic tribes from the East, albeit it was prefered to be called Mongol Empire by Western historians. For the whole of 13th century that Empire ruled China, Moğolistan, Korea, Russia, Ukraine, İran, Azerbaycan, Armenia, Georgia, Iraq, Türkey, Kazakistan, Kırgızistan, Özbekistan, Pakistan, Hungary, Poland, Tacikistan, Afganistan, Türkmenistan, Moldova and Kuwait...

Taking the above into account, it is not a great surprise that the looks of those who remained tloyal to being of Turkish ethnic origin are quite different than their ancestors who lived (to this day) in lands closer to China and Mongolia. At least we know what our ancestors looked alike and what Turks should really look like - far better than what GIG loves talking about the "Greeks". Does anyone know what the original Greek invaders from the North actually looked like? Better still does anyone know what a Greek, a Macedonian, an Italian, a Serbian, a Hungarian, a Bulgarian, an Albanian, a Romanian, a Croatian even a Turk living in Turkey should like? Put one of each nationality in a room and keep their mouths shut - no one on earth would possibly be able to tell who is what!

[supporttheunderdog]

I see you googled "concestor", upon my advice. It did come with a warning.

- Methinks you have some self-esteem issues. The ego takes a bashing when faced with the reality of how close we are genetically, not just to dinosaurs (something you keep avoiding answering truthfully), but even an onion ...

We're all simply A ... T ... G ... C ...

No one's asking you to interbreed with reptiles, god forbid. Don't cry.

(BTW - there are too many errors in your attempt to summarise what you read but it's too much work to put you straight.)

Your exact words were

Even if dinosaurs are now extinct, they served a purpose in what we are now. Recognizable remnants within all other species since

now the first part suggest dinosaur influence in what we and all other current creatures are, where for anything to have been a remnant of something it must have first been a part of the something. to start with.

The point is that none of the DNA we have passed to us from the common ancestors we share with dinosaurs from 300 MYA came through dinosaurs so we cannot have dinosaur remnants in us ( nor did they therefore serve a purpose in what we are since if the dinosaurs were not our ancestors no heritable characteristics could be passed to us from Dinosaurs) .

The commonality of characteristics we posses in eg DNA derives from the fact that we share a common ancestor 300 MYA but since the time of shared ancestry our DNA's have diverged to form separate classes of beings. So it like goes back to the primordial soup in which life was first brewed. Beyond saying our ancestors that were contemporaneous with dinosaurs were sufficiently dissimilar to interbreed I have not discussed how different or similar the DNA may be: indeed the similarities do not help you when the reached us independently through our own line of descent from the common ancestor 300 MYA.

[GreekIslandGirl]

I see you googled "concestor", upon my advice. It did come with a warning.

- Methinks you have some self-esteem issues. The ego takes a bashing when faced with the reality of how close we are genetically, not just to dinosaurs (something you keep avoiding answering truthfully), but even an onion ...

We're all simply A ... T ... G ... C ...

No one's asking you to interbreed with reptiles, god forbid. Don't cry.

(BTW - there are too many errors in your attempt to summarise what you read but it's too much work to put you straight.)

Your exact words were

Even if dinosaurs are now extinct, they served a purpose in what we are now. Recognizable remnants within all other species since

now the first part suggest dinosaur influence in what we and all other current creatures are, where for anything to have been a remnant of something it must have first been a part of the something. to start with.

The point is that none of the DNA we have passed to us from the common ancestors we share with dinosaurs from 300 MYA came through dinosaurs so we cannot have dinosaur remnants in us ( nor did they therefore serve a purpose in what we are since if the dinosaurs were not our ancestors no heritable characteristics could be passed to us from Dinosaurs) .

The commonality of characteristics we posses in eg DNA derives from the fact that we share a common ancestor 300 MYA but since the time of shared ancestry our DNA's have diverged to form separate classes of beings. So it like goes back to the primordial soup in which life was first brewed. Beyond saying our ancestors that were contemporaneous with dinosaurs were sufficiently dissimilar to interbreed I have not discussed how different or similar the DNA may be: indeed the similarities do not help you when the reached us independently through our own line of descent from the common ancestor 300 MYA.

I'll break it down for you.

"They served a purpose in what we are now."

Some examples since you still don't understand how dinosaurs served a purpose in what we are now:

Firstly, the presence of dinosaurs led to the emerging mammals becoming nocturnal (safety from predation) and hence developing good eye-sight.

Secondly, the fact the emerging mammals burrowed and hid underground/in caves (to survive against the giant predatory dinosaurs) is the main reason they survived the effects of the meteor showers/extinction events which killed off the dinosaurs.

Thirdly, again because of predatory dinosaurs, emerging mammals also took to the trees ( a great long-term survival tactic) which is from where we (our ancestors) eventually came down from ...


"Recognizable remnants within all other species since"

Why don't you think what was so unique about dinosaurs that there is not a trace of what dinosaurs had in what every other species has since then. Did they breath air? Were they bipedal or tetrapedal? Did they have eyes? Teeth? Oh boy ... so many similarities (except for you since you by-passed anything to do with dinosaurs).

[yialousa1971]

Hellenic inventions and discoveries

Like anyone gives a shit!

Ancient Discoveries - The Antikythera Machine

That's a hoax you twit!

Matey the only twits here are you and Dog brain.

[yialousa1971]

I am sure I read somewhere that Greeks invented Swiss bank accounts!

We also invented Rabbit stifado.

[yialousa1971]

The point is that Linear A has not been translated and does not translate to Greek.

Linear B was the later adaption of Linear A to Greek for the benefit of the then functionally illiterate Mycenaeans: if the Minoans spoke Greek no such adaption would have been required.

See e.g.

The Language of the Minoans
http://www.cretegazette.com/2006-02/minoan-language.php

According to Dr Owens, the difference of phonetic patterns between Linear A and B is only about 10%; in other words, the two scripts are about 90% similar. This permits us to give a limited reading of Linear A, but not understand it. It also gives us valuable information on the origin and characteristics of the language.
Beginning our research with inscriptions in Linear A carved on offering tables found in the many peak sanctuaries on the mountains of Crete, we recognise a clear relationship between Linear A and Sanskrit, the ancient language of India. There is also a connection to Hittite and Armenian. This relationship allows us to place the Minoan language among the so-called Indo-European languages, a vast family that includes modern Greek and the Latin of Ancient Rome.
The Minoan and Greek languages are considered to be different branches of Indo-European. The Minoans probably moved from Anatolia to the island of Crete about 10,000 years ago. There were similar population movements to Greece. The relative isolation of the population which settled in Crete resulted in the development of its own language, Minoan, which is considered different to Mycenaean. In the Minoan language (Linear A), there are no purely Greek words, as is the case in Mycenaean Linear B; it contains only words also found in Greek, Sanskrit and Latin, i.e. sharing the same Indo-European origin.

No the point is you are trolling. Now are you going to tell us who Himilcar is then?

[supporttheunderdog]

But creatures today do NOT possess these characteristics because Dinosaurs had them: Its not even clear how according to your theory creatures living today acquired these allegedely unique features from Dinosaurs. .Dinosaurs were not the originators of these characteristics and they are NOT characteristics unique to Dinosaurs which later creatures acquired from dinosaurs. : They existed before dinosaurs : Dinosaurs inherited them too, : indeed they are the shared characteristics of a very large set of creatures that have descent from a common ancestor with those characteristics which in the case of reptiles in general (Dinosaurs in particular ) and mammals in general (Humans in particular) existed 300 MYA.

I don't actually have a problem with how close I am genetically to other creatures. I dont even give it much thought.on a day to day basis:It is however the differences which define us such as but not limited to the possession of hair, three middle ear bones, mammary glands in females, and a neocortex, which the dinosaurs did not possess but which the contemporaneously existing ancestors of current modern mammals then had