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[Get Real!]

Here’s a New Year’s resolution for Kurupetos… (actually this one goes for most of you!)

Start posting interesting posts!

You little nitwit...

Unfortunately, I can only call you a nit!

[GreekIslandGirl]

Logical deduction!

You can't deduce something that you accuse me of saying...

When did I say that 'laws controlling drinking, driving, smoking, shooting etc also control my freedom to 'think'?

Answer. I didn't ever say that... just another of your ridiculous wild accusations that have no basis in truth or logic...

Just one of your views on us having alcohol limits before driving:

And it is exactly nanny state telling people what to think...

And of course, as normal you have tried to justify your ridiculous statements by part quoting or miss-quoting what was actually said... read my comments again in context: -

Yes there are many who even sober are a hazard to other road users, and no one should drive while impaired by drink, drugs, (illegal or legal), of which alcohol is one, by state of health or tiredness - there was the tragic case in the UK of Rail crash in the UK where a sleep deprived driver rolled of the road onto the railway, the subsequent events causing 10 deaths.
everyone should assess their condition to drive before they set off: unfortanately because alcohol is a mind altering drug which affects perception, someone who has had modest amounts of Alcohol is not capable of judging their own ability: they may think they are safe but are not: see for example (which is but one of many such studies)

ALCOHOL IMPAIRS SPEED OF INFORMATION PROCESSING AND SIMPLE AND CHOICE REACTION TIME AND DIFFERENTIALLY IMPAIRS HIGHER-ORDER COGNITIVE ABILITIES
http://alcalc.oxfordjournals.org/content/35/2/197.full

And its not about the nanny state telling people what to think, it is about the state providing protection for the public against poeple who are probably unsafe to drive but who do not know it, because of consumption of even small amounts of Alcohol (two or three drinks) . Grump you might think you are safe, but quite possibly you are not thinking right.

I haven't read it all...

... but more and more these days we have researchers that are funded by special interest groups to get the result they want...

In this case, getting just sixteen people to tap keys on a laptop doesn't really prove that somebody having a drink on the way home from work is dangerous...

And it is exactly nanny state telling people what to think... As Svetlana pointed out, Cyprus has one of the lowest alcohol driving limits - you would think according to nanny state that is the 'safe' limit yet many other countries have higher limits without carnage on the roads every day because of people driving within the limit who are unfit to drive!

How can 22 microgrammes of alcohol per 100 milliitres of breath be safe in Cyprus while 35 microgrammes is safe in the UK...?

Arbitrary nanny-state imposed limits....

By the way, people that think I am moaning about not being able to have a drink... I've been breathalysed once in 35 years of driving and scored a big, round zero....

Shame on you!

Your rant and moans clearly support my deduction. You complain that laws which restrict your bad habits also restrict your *thinking*. But it's difficult to go any further with this argument as your thinking is seriously restricted ....

[cyprusgrump]

Logical deduction!

You can't deduce something that you accuse me of saying...

When did I say that 'laws controlling drinking, driving, smoking, shooting etc also control my freedom to 'think'?

Answer. I didn't ever say that... just another of your ridiculous wild accusations that have no basis in truth or logic...

Just one of your views on us having alcohol limits before driving:

And it is exactly nanny state telling people what to think...

And of course, as normal you have tried to justify your ridiculous statements by part quoting or miss-quoting what was actually said... read my comments again in context: -

Yes there are many who even sober are a hazard to other road users, and no one should drive while impaired by drink, drugs, (illegal or legal), of which alcohol is one, by state of health or tiredness - there was the tragic case in the UK of Rail crash in the UK where a sleep deprived driver rolled of the road onto the railway, the subsequent events causing 10 deaths.
everyone should assess their condition to drive before they set off: unfortanately because alcohol is a mind altering drug which affects perception, someone who has had modest amounts of Alcohol is not capable of judging their own ability: they may think they are safe but are not: see for example (which is but one of many such studies)

ALCOHOL IMPAIRS SPEED OF INFORMATION PROCESSING AND SIMPLE AND CHOICE REACTION TIME AND DIFFERENTIALLY IMPAIRS HIGHER-ORDER COGNITIVE ABILITIES
http://alcalc.oxfordjournals.org/content/35/2/197.full

And its not about the nanny state telling people what to think, it is about the state providing protection for the public against poeple who are probably unsafe to drive but who do not know it, because of consumption of even small amounts of Alcohol (two or three drinks) . Grump you might think you are safe, but quite possibly you are not thinking right.

I haven't read it all...

... but more and more these days we have researchers that are funded by special interest groups to get the result they want...

In this case, getting just sixteen people to tap keys on a laptop doesn't really prove that somebody having a drink on the way home from work is dangerous...

And it is exactly nanny state telling people what to think... As Svetlana pointed out, Cyprus has one of the lowest alcohol driving limits - you would think according to nanny state that is the 'safe' limit yet many other countries have higher limits without carnage on the roads every day because of people driving within the limit who are unfit to drive!

How can 22 microgrammes of alcohol per 100 milliitres of breath be safe in Cyprus while 35 microgrammes is safe in the UK...?

Arbitrary nanny-state imposed limits....

By the way, people that think I am moaning about not being able to have a drink... I've been breathalysed once in 35 years of driving and scored a big, round zero....

Shame on you!

Your rant and moans clearly support my deduction. You complain that laws which restrict your bad habits also restrict your *thinking*. But it's difficult to go any further with this argument as your thinking is seriously restricted ....

Clearly, you are deluded...

None of the ridiculous 'nanny state' laws restrict my thinking - if they did I wouldn't be complaining about them would I...?

It is only the hard of understanding like your good self that believe everything they are told by the mainstream media that doesn't complain...

But then you are a great fan of big government aren't you...? You'd be perfectly happy for the nanny state to control every single aspect of your life so that you don't have to go to the trouble of thinking for yourself...

[GreekIslandGirl]

This isn't the first time you've tried to worm out of something you said.

[kurupetos]

Here’s a New Year’s resolution for Kurupetos… (actually this one goes for most of you!)

Start posting interesting posts!

You little nitwit...

Unfortunately, I can only call you a nit!

I will kick you like an empty tin!

[cyprusgrump]

This isn't the first time you've tried to worm out of something you said.

And not the first time you've twisted and turned and wriggled to try and worm out of something stupid and unsupportable that you have said - as in this case...

Because, as in the Felix Baumgartner thread, I didn't actually say what you claimed did I...? Ever.

I didn't say in any thread that 'laws controlling drinking, driving, smoking, shooting etc also control my freedom to 'think'

You can miss-quote and twist as much as you like but you simply can't make it so...

[cyprusgrump]

Councillors in County Kerry in the west of Ireland have voted in favour of asking the Irish government to introduce a relaxation of the drink-drive limit for rural areas. Ireland reduced its limit from 80mg to 50mg in 2011 and, not surprisingly, the move has led to a sharp fall in trade for rural pubs, already reeling from the impact of the smoking ban. The petition has minimal chance of success, but it underlines how cutting the limit has cast a grey blanket of Puritanism over social life outside major towns and cities, just as it would on this side of the Irish Sea. For the most part, Ireland is a far-flung, rural country, and the available trade for such rural pubs as remain must now be very thin pickings.

The cut is defended as a road safety measure, but in reality the vast majority of drink-related casualties have always been caused by people well over the previous limit, and the additional risk for drivers in the 50-80 mg band varies between zero and very little. The people who cheerfully ignored the previous law will continue to do so, while the law-abiding will sit miserably at home over a few cans of Guinness or a bottle of whiskey, missing the companionship of the pub. Many will have been happy to enjoy a couple of legal pints with their friends, but if restricted to just the one will conclude the trip is no longer worthwhile.

The proposal isn’t entirely far-fetched, as there is a precedent for having different limits in different areas within the same country – until fairly recently, this applied between different states of the USA, and of course it will be the case if and when Alex Salmond cuts the limit in Scotland.

Clicky...

[GreekIslandGirl]

If they live in rural areas, whatever happened to the good old-fashioned WALK to the pub?

[cyprusgrump]

If they live in rural areas, whatever happened to the good old-fashioned WALK to the pub?

Indeed. Your beloved EU should introduce a LAW making it ILLEGAL to use a car for short journeys!

[Schnauzer]

If they live in rural areas, whatever happened to the good old-fashioned WALK to the pub?

Sure any fool can WALK to the pub, it's the getting back home is the problem !.