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Re: Genetic origin of the Cypriots

Postby bigOz » Mon Jan 07, 2013 10:51 am

repulsewarrior wrote:...indeed, Cypriot Statehood has more to do with bananas than it has to do with its genetics today, or National sentiments; i agree. Bread and butter, there is only one planet, if you don't believe in God, that's where its at, or where it should be, whether, as Persons we identify ourselves with distinctions to sustain, or not. in Cyprus, i think thinking must change, as good Greeks, if you will, they must lead with the way forward a new form of Governance beyond the idea of Nations as States, but Bicommunally a State where within there are Nations.

...question, looking for Cypriots, how far does that go, haven't there been inhabitants since before recorded History, on this island? how does that relate to Civilizations (within recorded History), like the Greeks, and/or Egyptians, while being further complicated by the changing political spheres from which order is found.

You forgot the Hitites (from Anotolia) and Sumerians who occupied the island many thousands of years before! :D
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Re: Genetic origin of the Cypriots

Postby bigOz » Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:05 am

BTW - Does anyone know who was Makarios' father and mother? I have been hearing stories since I was very young about him being half Turk and half Greek. Has anyone done a gene check on him? I also heard that he was left outside a Church or a Monastery after his birth by his mother - does anyone know why? :?:
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Re: Genetic origin of the Cypriots

Postby Sotos » Mon Jan 07, 2013 2:24 pm

bigOz wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:...indeed, Cypriot Statehood has more to do with bananas than it has to do with its genetics today, or National sentiments; i agree. Bread and butter, there is only one planet, if you don't believe in God, that's where its at, or where it should be, whether, as Persons we identify ourselves with distinctions to sustain, or not. in Cyprus, i think thinking must change, as good Greeks, if you will, they must lead with the way forward a new form of Governance beyond the idea of Nations as States, but Bicommunally a State where within there are Nations.

...question, looking for Cypriots, how far does that go, haven't there been inhabitants since before recorded History, on this island? how does that relate to Civilizations (within recorded History), like the Greeks, and/or Egyptians, while being further complicated by the changing political spheres from which order is found.

You forgot the Hitites (from Anotolia) and Sumerians who occupied the island many thousands of years before! :D


You are talking bullshit. The Sumerians never occupied Cyprus. The Hitites occupied Cyprus at most for a few years... and that was at about the same time as the first Greeks came to Cyprus.
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Re: Genetic origin of the Cypriots

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Mon Jan 07, 2013 2:26 pm

Oh yeah. Makarios must have been half Turk (explains why he protected the TCs so much); but yet, we are told, the TCs are all originally Greek. There's logic in them there bananas!
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Re: Genetic origin of the Cypriots

Postby denizaksulu » Mon Jan 07, 2013 2:45 pm

Sotos, why do you remind me of Herr Hitler and his Mein Kampf? Using genetics to prove ethnic purity or origin, or belonging to aterritory smacks of utter racism. :D shame that your Final Solution could not come about. :D :D :D :D :D :D
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Re: Genetic origin of the Cypriots

Postby kurupetos » Mon Jan 07, 2013 2:53 pm

denizaksulu wrote:Sotos, why do you remind me of Herr Hitler and his Mein Kampf? Using genetics to prove ethnic purity or origin, or belonging to aterritory smacks of utter racism. :D shame that your Final Solution could not come about. :D :D :D :D :D :D

Oh, yes it will. :mrgreen: What do you think I have been planning all this time? 8)
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Re: Genetic origin of the Cypriots

Postby denizaksulu » Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:09 pm

kurupetos wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:Sotos, why do you remind me of Herr Hitler and his Mein Kampf? Using genetics to prove ethnic purity or origin, or belonging to aterritory smacks of utter racism. :D shame that your Final Solution could not come about. :D :D :D :D :D :D

Oh, yes it will. :mrgreen: What do you think I have been planning all this time? 8)



Oh dear oh dear oh dear! We are surely f*cked now. :D
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Re: Genetic origin of the Cypriots

Postby bigOz » Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:44 pm

Sotos wrote:
bigOz wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:...indeed, Cypriot Statehood has more to do with bananas than it has to do with its genetics today, or National sentiments; i agree. Bread and butter, there is only one planet, if you don't believe in God, that's where its at, or where it should be, whether, as Persons we identify ourselves with distinctions to sustain, or not. in Cyprus, i think thinking must change, as good Greeks, if you will, they must lead with the way forward a new form of Governance beyond the idea of Nations as States, but Bicommunally a State where within there are Nations.

...question, looking for Cypriots, how far does that go, haven't there been inhabitants since before recorded History, on this island? how does that relate to Civilizations (within recorded History), like the Greeks, and/or Egyptians, while being further complicated by the changing political spheres from which order is found.

You forgot the Hitites (from Anotolia) and Sumerians who occupied the island many thousands of years before! :D


You are talking bullshit. The Sumerians never occupied Cyprus. The Hitites occupied Cyprus at most for a few years... and that was at about the same time as the first Greeks came to Cyprus.

Take that thing out of your mouth little boy Satos! Or have you grown up since we last addressed each other couple of years back! I can see that mentally you have not grown up at all :lol:

The only bulshitter in this forum has been the fanatic racist wasps like yourself who come up with statement with no supporting links or evidence for their claims. :roll:
Check this out Mr ignorant!
"Six million years ago, the Mediterranean sea was almost completely desiccated. This event allowed dwarf elephants (Elephas cypriotes) and pony hippos to pass from Africa to the island known today as Cyprus. Those animals attracted hunters from central Anatolia (Kömürcü, Kaletepe), who became the first human inhabitants of the island, 11.000 years ago. Around 6000 B.C, people from the land known as Cilicia (the area of Southern Anatolia, enclosed by the Taurus and Amanos mountains) arrive to the island. That is the start of the prehistory of Cyprus, an island in the edge of the Mediterranean, where civilization developed in very remote times.

Unfortunately the pre-Greek history of the Cypriots is enigmatic, both in sense of events but also in sense of language and ethnic composition. The archeological data shows that new inhabitants were arriving constantly from Anatolia (especially from Tarsus and Mersin) until 2300 B.C. Things started to change at the end of the 3rd millennium B.C, when a period of Minoan contact start. At this point, the island goes through a rapid development and the first attestations about it and its people appear in documents.

In the the fifth year of Samsuiluma (1745 B.C), a cuneiform tablet with a list of goods was written down in the Sumerian town of Mari. Line 15 of the tablet reads: “12 mana urudu misi alasiim uz tiilmuni (12 mana refined copper of Alashiya and of Tilmun)”

Although not certain, Alashiya is what we know to be Cyprus name at this period of time and this record is the oldest one in existence. The name was probably in use by the Cypriots as well, as shown in the Amarna letters."


I did make an error with Sumerians because I sometime get confused with names - I meant Assyrians (in Turkish, names "Sumer" and "Asur" both of them occupying the same area, can be confusing). OK so it was the Akkads and not Sumerians, because the Sumerians were temporarily taken over by the Akkad King Sargon during that period! But written history before the Greek settlement on the island is a little obscured (probably obstructed by some historians) and not well documented. However, there is strong evidence that the Akkadian empire that included the Sumerians (22-23 century BC) covered Syria accross the sea also conquered Cyprus:

"The Epic of the King of the Battle is known from an Akkadian-language tablet in the Amarna archives; translations have since been discovered in Hittite and Hurrian... The same text mentions that Sargon crossed the Sea of the West (Mediterranean Sea) and ended up in Kuppara, which some authors have interpreted as the Akkadian word for Keftiu, an ancient locale usually associated with Crete or Cyprus. Cyprus it must be! because moving West from Syria, it is unimaginble that they woud avoid or miss Cyprus plus all the other islands on their way to Crete(!)

Furthermore: "The exact dates of Sargon's birth, death or even reign are unknown. According to the short chronology, he reigned from 2270 to 2215 BC (the Middle Chronology lists his reign as 2334 to 2279 BC). These dates are based on the Sumerian king list (?)"

Now, how is it that the above were around the same time that Greeks were in Cyprus??? :roll:

Sotos, do yourself a favour and stop making a fool of yourself. Using bad language will not get you anywhere, go chill out somewhere else where there others with the same levels of intelligence as your arrogant self! :lol:

Quotes from: http://www.palaeolexicon.com/default.as ... uage_ID=31
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sargon_of_Akkad
http://ancienthistory.about.com/cs/egyp ... aintro.htm
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Re: Genetic origin of the Cypriots

Postby supporttheunderdog » Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:22 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:Oh yeah. Makarios must have been half Turk (explains why he protected the TCs so much); but yet, we are told, the TCs are all originally Greek. There's logic in them there bananas!


no: the TSC were originaly Cypriot as were those who call themslevs Greek. Indeed according to some learned people the process of self identification with Greece is probably a relatively recent development , according those academics probbaly post dating the British takeover in 1878.

Look for this:

‘My Homeland is Cyprus and My Parents are Orthodox Christians of the Eastern Dogma’:
Imperialism and Identity Transformation in Cyprus from the Ottomans to the British

Dr Andrekos Varnava,
Assistant Professor, History,
European University Cyprus, Nicosia, Cyprus

which can be found here
http://legacy.prio.no/Cyprus/Projects-Topics/History3

try this one on the brain washing.....
http://legacy.prio.no/upload/Report-History%20Education%20low.pdf
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Re: Genetic origin of the Cypriots

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:55 pm

Oh really? I thought we agreed everyone was Greek.
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