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Re: is the 1960 constitution legal according to eu law

Postby Lordo » Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:00 am

repulsewarrior wrote:...naturally a link can be drawn to the corruption of the era and the founding of the EU, naturally to the corruption that blossumed at the same time in Greece. indeed, when Cyprus joined it had forces for it, and/or against the Turkish angst, in European affairs. but as a State, and as a net contributor to this Union, Cypriots retain their credibility as a People who place their value, not as Europeans, but as members of a larger Family, into the Rule of Law, and the betterment of Universal Principals.

...with all due respect, the Constitution does not work as it is. a Bicommunal Bizonal Federation is inviting, because, living in one at present is a real life experience that, as a young boy i lived, in a "mixed" (i spit at people who called us this) village. my past, your past, the past, is past. i will not hate those i loved, nor they me, just because we are called by others, "Turks" or "Greeks". perhaps it has more to do with the fact that niggers no longer hang from trees in the USA, that i find it repugnant the thought that you are not "Turkish" or "Turkish"(or "Greek) enough. i suppose if they did, such hatred would thrive to surely have consumed all life on this planet by now. but our lives are and were far more refined, demanding integration not just desgregation, toward ending (as it is today) the Problem. why not recognise the needs which are the same, which we, as Persons, corporate entities where we are One, exist? why not as Individuals therefore, as Cypriots, express this will. Bicommunal does not mean tearing the island in two. it means that there is One, and within this whole where all its Citizens are represented without distinction or discrimination as equal, they choose, by where they reside, to be as well, electors in National Assemblies. many Cypriot Constituencies can be sustained, with self-representation which promotes their distinctions, and provides the services they need in their daily lives; as with the Communal Chamber, Cyprus requires a Constituency which is Greek to exist to have a Cypriot State, so that there can exist other Constituencies with equal Rights, rather than recognition and respect of Minorities within what is by the overwhelming Majority, a Greek state.

Lordo, you should read my stuff carefully, if you dream as i dream of Constitutional Reform. and you should join me if you dare to ask, where is the Greek Constituency, if there is a Republic, and a Turkish Constituency?

rw there should be no greek and turkish constituency but a northern and a southern one. race does not have to be part of it. but two zones there must be.
all those who wish to retrun to their properties must be allowed to and all those who do not must also me respected.
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Re: is the 1960 constitution legal according to eu law

Postby Jerry » Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:14 am

The 1960 Constitution was never legal since it denied Cypriots absolute sovereignty. It illegally gave Britain,Turkey and Greece the power to intervene in a State that was supposed to be independent. Just like the Annan Plan it was created for the benefit of the West and its allies not the people of Cyprus.
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Re: is the 1960 constitution legal according to eu law

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:34 am

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repulsewarrior wrote:...naturally a link can be drawn to the corruption of the era and the founding of the EU, naturally to the corruption that blossumed at the same time in Greece. indeed, when Cyprus joined it had forces for it, and/or against the Turkish angst, in European affairs. but as a State, and as a net contributor to this Union, Cypriots retain their credibility as a People who place their value, not as Europeans, but as members of a larger Family, into the Rule of Law, and the betterment of Universal Principals.

...with all due respect, the Constitution does not work as it is. a Bicommunal Bizonal Federation is inviting, because, living in one at present is a real life experience that, as a young boy i lived, in a "mixed" (i spit at people who called us this) village. my past, your past, the past, is past. i will not hate those i loved, nor they me, just because we are called by others, "Turks" or "Greeks". perhaps it has more to do with the fact that niggers no longer hang from trees in the USA, that i find it repugnant the thought that you are not "Turkish" or "Turkish"(or "Greek) enough. i suppose if they did, such hatred would thrive to surely have consumed all life on this planet by now. but our lives are and were far more refined, demanding integration not just desgregation, toward ending (as it is today) the Problem. why not recognise the needs which are the same, which we, as Persons, corporate entities where we are One, exist? why not as Individuals therefore, as Cypriots, express this will. Bicommunal does not mean tearing the island in two. it means that there is One, and within this whole where all its Citizens are represented without distinction or discrimination as equal, they choose, by where they reside, to be as well, electors in National Assemblies. many Cypriot Constituencies can be sustained, with self-representation which promotes their distinctions, and provides the services they need in their daily lives; as with the Communal Chamber, Cyprus requires a Constituency which is Greek to exist to have a Cypriot State, so that there can exist other Constituencies with equal Rights, rather than recognition and respect of Minorities within what is by the overwhelming Majority, a Greek state.

Lordo, you should read my stuff carefully, if you dream as i dream of Constitutional Reform. and you should join me if you dare to ask, where is the Greek Constituency, if there is a Republic, and a Turkish Constituency?

rw there should be no greek and turkish constituency but a northern and a southern one. race does not have to be part of it. but two zones there must be.
all those who wish to retrun to their properties must be allowed to and all those who do not must also me respected.


but in the north i suppose service will be in Turkish, and in the south service in Greek?

Constituencies are people Lordo, it has no bearing as to north or south, they will provide the representation that betters their electors lives not as northeners or southeners, but as Grecophones and Turcophones. and why not enclaves? why not Territories in the north and south which are like pockets to the Territories which surround them, because they vote in the elections of one Constituency and not the other? what is the use of Constituencies north and south within a State, if with its own Government, represents Citizens as the Sovereign body, a Greek Constituency must exist so that a Turkish Constituency can be an equal. in such a context as Individuals Cypriots act as Humans focused on bettering the Human Condition, while in their daily lives they live within a Community which as a Majority respects these Rights in their Goodwill toward others. as Indivduals everyone has and should have the right to reside where they please, and as Persons, Justice Seen is best demonstrated if for some, the displaced return as they left, as Communities.
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Re: is the 1960 constitution legal according to eu law

Postby Lordo » Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:05 am

Jerry wrote:The 1960 Constitution was never legal since it denied Cypriots absolute sovereignty. It illegally gave Britain,Turkey and Greece the power to intervene in a State that was supposed to be independent. Just like the Annan Plan it was created for the benefit of the West and its allies not the people of Cyprus.

so please explain to me how such an illegal scenario is allowed into the eu. how is that possible.
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Re: is the 1960 constitution legal according to eu law

Postby Jerry » Sat Dec 29, 2012 11:51 am

Lordo wrote:
Jerry wrote:The 1960 Constitution was never legal since it denied Cypriots absolute sovereignty. It illegally gave Britain,Turkey and Greece the power to intervene in a State that was supposed to be independent. Just like the Annan Plan it was created for the benefit of the West and its allies not the people of Cyprus.

so please explain to me how such an illegal scenario is allowed into the eu. how is that possible.



Greece "persuaded" the EU to allow Cyprus into the club. Besides it was the only constitution the Cypriots had, they tried to change it but Turkey wouldn't agree.
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Re: is the 1960 constitution legal according to eu law

Postby Lordo » Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:56 pm

Jerry wrote:
Lordo wrote:
Jerry wrote:The 1960 Constitution was never legal since it denied Cypriots absolute sovereignty. It illegally gave Britain,Turkey and Greece the power to intervene in a State that was supposed to be independent. Just like the Annan Plan it was created for the benefit of the West and its allies not the people of Cyprus.

so please explain to me how such an illegal scenario is allowed into the eu. how is that possible.



Greece "persuaded" the EU to allow Cyprus into the club. Besides it was the only constitution the Cypriots had, they tried to change it but Turkey wouldn't agree.


what has turkey got to do with cyprus constitution. cyprus constitution was changed in the past with no problem. you seem to be way out of your depth jerry. what we are talking about here is an individual taking the roc to eu court and winning against a racist constitution. the fine imposed on the roc was 3500 euros. funny how they just paid it and did not change the law. and the eu is ok with that too. no follow up to see if the law was changed. now that shows what a place the eu is. i tell you what, you can keep it. we are supposed to trust them to protect our human rights yeah right and pigs will fly too very soon my friend.
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Re: is the 1960 constitution legal according to eu law

Postby Maximus » Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:23 pm

Lordo wrote: what we are talking about here is an individual taking the roc to eu court and winning against a racist constitution. the fine imposed on the roc was 3500 euros. funny how they just paid it and did not change the law.


where is that further information, you ignored my previous response and now it looks like you are continuing to peruse a false claim.
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Re: is the 1960 constitution legal according to eu law

Postby Lordo » Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:37 pm

Maximus wrote:
Lordo wrote: a tc living in the south would not have needed to take them to court regarding his rights to vote in the south for the elections, the eu court would not have agreed with him and fine the roc 3500 euroes for walking all over his true human rights.


can you please provide me with a link or some further information regarding this?

The republic is not trampling on anyone's human rights, rather the RoC has eligible citizens who have invited an illegal occupation to stay, on EU territory and want to double dip.


bloomin heck maximus. maximus of what exactly are you. even the ants in the garden know about mr aziz v roc. where have you been all these years. ask your friend kimone he knows everything. in fact there is quite a few in here who know everything but really they they nothing but thats another story for another day.
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Re: is the 1960 constitution legal according to eu law

Postby Jerry » Sat Dec 29, 2012 4:51 pm

Lordo wrote:
Jerry wrote:
Lordo wrote:
Jerry wrote:The 1960 Constitution was never legal since it denied Cypriots absolute sovereignty. It illegally gave Britain,Turkey and Greece the power to intervene in a State that was supposed to be independent. Just like the Annan Plan it was created for the benefit of the West and its allies not the people of Cyprus.

so please explain to me how such an illegal scenario is allowed into the eu. how is that possible.



Greece "persuaded" the EU to allow Cyprus into the club. Besides it was the only constitution the Cypriots had, they tried to change it but Turkey wouldn't agree.


what has turkey got to do with cyprus constitution. cyprus constitution was changed in the past with no problem. you seem to be way out of your depth jerry. what we are talking about here is an individual taking the roc to eu court and winning against a racist constitution. the fine imposed on the roc was 3500 euros. funny how they just paid it and did not change the law. and the eu is ok with that too. no follow up to see if the law was changed. now that shows what a place the eu is. i tell you what, you can keep it. we are supposed to trust them to protect our human rights yeah right and pigs will fly too very soon my friend.



If I'm out of my depth Lordo then you have drowned and been gobbled up by sharks. Turkey was one of the architects of the constitution, it made sure it was drawn up in its favour. Have you forgotten that the amendments proposed by Makarios were rejected by Turkey before the TCs had a chance to respond to them?

As for racist constitutions, try and get PTP in the "trnc" if you have a Greek name.
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Re: is the 1960 constitution legal according to eu law

Postby Lordo » Sat Dec 29, 2012 5:54 pm

of course they did in 1963. but what about when they accepted them all in 1972. you seem to suffer from greek cypriotitus. which effects the brain and makes a tit out of you. Not only did they accept the amendments in 1972 but also they made dengtash accept them too.

so who was it that refused the 13 amendments and all refugees back to their homes in 1972. go on have a go see if you can find out.

then of course our resident fascisticos maximus and kimonus will tell us there was no refugees in 1972. of course not boys now back to your dreams.
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