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[Viewpoint]

Great post Pyro.

[Maximus]

Imo the Kibrislis would still want taksim even if there was no Enosis clause, and this would rise from another fear that of GC total hegemony of the new state.

Great post Pyro,

it raises another question, were/are the Kibrislis right? do they have the right?

they sealed their protection in 1974, God knows if we will ever be able to get rid of them here in Cyprus.

Was TMT An Evil Working Towards Partition...???

[repulsewarrior]

...interesting, did you know that Grivas and his brother were estranged for the same reasons we are discussing; they fought together to rid the island of subjugation when it was under British rule, Grivas fought alone once Cyprus was Free as a Republic.

[B25]

I will just express my personal opinion, without having strong evidence to support it.
My friend allow me to doubt whether we left Eoka's "cause" behind us. Remember the second part of Eokas "cause was "AND ENOSIS WITH GREECE". Who initially brought in the Anan plan? Wasn't it Klerides? Wasn't it Klerides who was asking for another 16 months Presidency to "solve the CP" as per Anan Plan? Wasn't it him who fooled Papadopoulos immediately after the latter was elected to ask the UNSG for negotiations based on the Anan Plan? Wasn't his Heir in the DESY party Anastasiades the ONLY supporter of the Anan Plan, wasn't it him who went to the EU saying all those lies that we were terrorized to reject it? Wasn't it the Mitsotakis-Karamanlis Greek Government who officially told us to accept it? All the above guys are remnants of Eoka together with their mainland Greek Counterparts. So what was the REASON behind all this?

Simple: The Anan Plan would fail within months and we would end up with DOUBLE ENOSIS,one part to Greece another to Turkey.
This is exactly the same reason we had the coup in 1974 and the Turkish Invasion. It was an agreement between the Greek Junta- and the CIA, the local Enosists, and Turkey. For DOUBLE ENOSIS. The only problem was that Turkey tricked everybody and grapped more land than what was agreed. Everybody knows e.g that Varoshia and some other areas were NOT in the map.
May God save us, but my biggest fear is that Anastasiades will be elected in February and I guarantee you he will sell us for DOUBLE ENOSIS.

Now as far as the TMT cause is concerned: Surely the Turks are more simple and straight forward in what they are after. They were after Taksim, they still are. They are waiting for our help to get the long agreed DOUBLE ENOSIS. They will share the oil, I mean their crooks will get their share our crooks will get their share, American and other Crooky companies and politicians will get their share and the plain people of Cyprus will get some peanuts.
This is how thinks work today. By stealing people ECONOMICALLY. Not by Killing and doing atrocities. And it doesn't matter if they are Kibislis or Kypreoi. They are all the same for the crooks.

A SIDE NOTE ESPECIALLY FOR VIEWPOINT: Do You know understand my dear VP who is your enemy? Is it Kikapu,is it me?

Seems like opinions are like assholes, everyone as one. Yo have well and truly sucked up to VP big time, you two should get a room.
You assertion about EOKA, is completely wrong, thats why you have no evidence to support it. EOKA, were fighting to remove the British their main drive was NOT Enosis. You are just giving the deluded TCs ammo to shoot us with.
Your last statement made me laugh, your admiration for VP, bloody hell the woman is expert at regurgitating BS and spewing the same crap in every post and you think its clever.

I had you down as a patriot, but really you are a spineless coward, trying to suck up to the parasites on the other side.
When any other country in the world gives less than 10% of its population a separate statelet, then come back and we'll talk about Cyprus. The audacity of these people is sickening.

[Pyrpolizer]

I am glad you got so confused and agitated B25….

What’s wrong in treating VP in a humane way? Isn’t VP a human and a Cypriot as well? Who said we must agree fully with someone to respect him as a human?
I log in this forum and I see a whole bunch of you Vs VP being ALONE, and I tell myself ts, ts, ts, these guys are like the hyenas.

[Pyrpolizer]

Imo the Kibrislis would still want taksim even if there was no Enosis clause, and this would rise from another fear that of GC total hegemony of the new state.

Great post Pyro,

it raises another question, were/are the Kibrislis right? do they have the right?

they sealed their protection in 1974, God knows if we will ever be able to get rid of them here in Cyprus.

Was TMT An Evil Working Towards Partition...???

The Liberation+Enosis cause as well as the taksim cause were right in the eyes of the majority of the people they emerged from and wrong in the eyes of the other people.

Therefore from the moment those 2 causes appeared there was no other way out, other than a compromise, and that compromise came with the 1960 constitution.
The problem should of have ended there. It didn’t.

In fact it was immediately after 1960 that the ex Eokas and TMTs both became so evil, committing so many atrocities, we need a whole book to write what they were doing every day.
The heaviest blow was naturally against the weakest community and we all know how innocent Kibrislis suffered. At that point the "cause" for the plain Kibrislis became totally irrelevant, for them it was a matter of survival. They viewed TMT as their protector for survival, whereas the TMT officials with Denktash as leader and the Turkish Military having TMT under their orders, viewed the plain suffering Kibrislis as their tool towards taksim. In fact they were doing everything they could to provoke the Kypreoi so that the latter would retaliate against innocent Kibrislis and cause them more suffering.

Despite of all that, TMT failed miserably and the only thing they achieved was unnecessary suffering for the Kibrislis. Ex Eoka groups also failed, it was evident after 1967 that Enosis was just impossible. In fact by 1972 we had an agreement that would end everything and the Kibrislis would return to their villages and Government positions which the other butcher of Cyprus Makarios just refused to sign!!

I hope at this point it’s clear that TMT was one thing and the plain Kibrislis another. TMT never abandoned it’s cause for taksim, however the plain Kibrislis had no other option than follow the orders/directions of TMT for survival.
And then all of a sudden in 1974 we had the coup by the newly formed ex eoka group calling themselves "Eoka B" and everything that followed.

So to give a straight answer to your question, for the plain average Kibrisli the taksim question became totally irrelevant, and therefore he did not care if it was right or wrong neither did he work for it consciously **. What mattered for him was his own survival under safe conditions. In this respect he would follow any orders from those who would offer such conditions and those were unfortunately coming from TMT and after 1974 from Turkey.

And to answer your last question yes definitely the TMT especially at high level was an evil organization working for taksim promoting their "cause" even by using the suffering of their own people.

NB** There were a few exceptions of course e.g those at the villages of Kokkina were all fanatics crazy TMTs. All of them.

[Lordo]

it seems even the wise gcs are not that wise. so you think all Gochina people were tmt were they. even those women and children who took refuge in the caves. I think not. on the other hand what are we to think of the civilian gcs who took up position on the hill tops to enjoy the slaughter. how befitting that they took part in their own entertainment obliged onto them by the taf.

may you enjoy your christian ramazan you hear. peace be upon you even if you are christian.

[bill cobbett]

Imo the Kibrislis would still want taksim even if there was no Enosis clause, and this would rise from another fear that of GC total hegemony of the new state.

Great post Pyro,

it raises another question, were/are the Kibrislis right? do they have the right?

they sealed their protection in 1974, God knows if we will ever be able to get rid of them here in Cyprus.

Was TMT An Evil Working Towards Partition...???

The Liberation+Enosis cause as well as the taksim cause were right in the eyes of the majority of the people they emerged from and wrong in the eyes of the other people.

Therefore from the moment those 2 causes appeared there was no other way out, other than a compromise, and that compromise came with the 1960 constitution.
The problem should of have ended there. It didn’t.

In fact it was immediately after 1960 that the ex Eokas and TMTs both became so evil, committing so many atrocities, we need a whole book to write what they were doing every day.
The heaviest blow was naturally against the weakest community and we all know how innocent Kibrislis suffered. At that point the "cause" for the plain Kibrislis became totally irrelevant, for them it was a matter of survival. They viewed TMT as their protector for survival, whereas the TMT officials with Denktash as leader and the Turkish Military having TMT under their orders, viewed the plain suffering Kibrislis as their tool towards taksim. In fact they were doing everything they could to provoke the Kypreoi so that the latter would retaliate against innocent Kibrislis and cause them more suffering.

Despite of all that, TMT failed miserably and the only thing they achieved was unnecessary suffering for the Kibrislis. Ex Eoka groups also failed, it was evident after 1967 that Enosis was just impossible. In fact by 1972 we had an agreement that would end everything and the Kibrislis would return to their villages and Government positions which the other butcher of Cyprus Makarios just refused to sign!!

I hope at this point it’s clear that TMT was one thing and the plain Kibrislis another. TMT never abandoned it’s cause for taksim, however the plain Kibrislis had no other option than follow the orders/directions of TMT for survival.
And then all of a sudden in 1974 we had the coup by the newly formed ex eoka group calling themselves "Eoka B" and everything that followed.

So to give a straight answer to your question, for the plain average Kibrisli the taksim question became totally irrelevant, and therefore he did not care if it was right or wrong neither did he work for it consciously **. What mattered for him was his own survival under safe conditions. In this respect he would follow any orders from those who would offer such conditions and those were unfortunately coming from TMT and after 1974 from Turkey.

And to answer your last question yes definitely the TMT especially at high level was an evil organization working for taksim promoting their "cause" even by using the suffering of their own people.

NB** There were a few exceptions of course e.g those at the villages of Kokkina were all fanatics crazy TMTs. All of them.

Thanks for that Pyro, which answers the questions in the OP bar one, the question that brings things to the situation today, prob the most important question... This one...

Is the present day Illegal Regime known by some as "tncrtc" its current political face...??? ... (the current face of TMT...?)

Merry Xmas everyone.

[Viewpoint]

Merry Christmas to those that celebrate it.

Another great post Pyro but unfortunately you are a minority and the majority of GCs choose to ignore what you have clearly stated.

[bigOz]

What TMT??? That was when there was no TRNC! Stop talking about ghosts re tahtakafalis! Do not worry about TMT but think of who is facing you in 21st century. TRNC with 10,000 well armed own army backed up by at least another 30,000 Turkish army fully armed with long range guns, tanks, helicopters and a formidable airforce that can reach Cyprus within 20 minutes from take off. TMT? stop fooling yourself re billy the kid!
Furthermore, just in case your brains cannot comprehend, our beloved Cyberus belonging to Sheeprus is now partitioned for all intents and purposes.
GREECE 10 points! Cyprus 10 points!
Greece OUT! CYPRUS OUT!
Greece economy "nil puan"
Cyprus economy "nil puan"
Greece farts - Sheeprus hold their breath
Greek flag next to Sheeprus flag on every official building in South.
Turkish flag next to every TRNC flag in the North
Population of North Cyprus well over 400,000 - half from mainland Turkey (and expanding)

Stop chatting shite and face the real world fools!