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[Pyrpolizer]

Some more statements posed as questions...

Haven't we left EOKA behind us in the Free Areas...???

Whether that's left to honour and commemorate that movement or otherwise is a matter of personal deliberation for each of us; in any event aren't they left only as a historical foot-note to Cyprob...???

On the other hand aren't the TMT in the guise of the Illegal Regime still relevant, still ruling the roost in the "tncrtn"...???

Aren't the Rubbish Regime the political face of the still thriving, still controlling TMT still working towards their endgame of a near as dammit Two Countries Partition...???

Isn't the TMT legacy the only Lasting and Relevant Continuity from the mid-50's to the present day...???

I will just express my personal opinion, without having strong evidence to support it.
My friend allow me to doubt whether we left Eoka's "cause" behind us. Remember the second part of Eokas "cause was "AND ENOSIS WITH GREECE". Who initially brought in the Anan plan? Wasn't it Klerides? Wasn't it Klerides who was asking for another 16 months Presidency to "solve the CP" as per Anan Plan? Wasn't it him who fooled Papadopoulos immediately after the latter was elected to ask the UNSG for negotiations based on the Anan Plan? Wasn't his Heir in the DESY party Anastasiades the ONLY supporter of the Anan Plan, wasn't it him who went to the EU saying all those lies that we were terrorized to reject it? Wasn't it the Mitsotakis-Karamanlis Greek Government who officially told us to accept it? All the above guys are remnants of Eoka together with their mainland Greek Counterparts. So what was the REASON behind all this?

Simple: The Anan Plan would fail within months and we would end up with DOUBLE ENOSIS,one part to Greece another to Turkey.
This is exactly the same reason we had the coup in 1974 and the Turkish Invasion. It was an agreement between the Greek Junta- and the CIA, the local Enosists, and Turkey. For DOUBLE ENOSIS. The only problem was that Turkey tricked everybody and grapped more land than what was agreed. Everybody knows e.g that Varoshia and some other areas were NOT in the map.
May God save us, but my biggest fear is that Anastasiades will be elected in February and I guarantee you he will sell us for DOUBLE ENOSIS.

Now as far as the TMT cause is concerned: Surely the Turks are more simple and straight forward in what they are after. They were after Taksim, they still are. They are waiting for our help to get the long agreed DOUBLE ENOSIS. They will share the oil, I mean their crooks will get their share our crooks will get their share, American and other Crooky companies and politicians will get their share and the plain people of Cyprus will get some peanuts.
This is how thinks work today. By stealing people ECONOMICALLY. Not by Killing and doing atrocities. And it doesn't matter if they are Kibislis or Kypreoi. They are all the same for the crooks.

A SIDE NOTE ESPECIALLY FOR VIEWPOINT: Do You know understand my dear VP who is your enemy? Is it Kikapu,is it me?

[Me Ed]

Whilst EOKA fought an honorable war to rid the island of British colonial rule, the TMT's sole purpose was to serve as and evil pawn by evil colonial island to maintain a racist agenda to suppress the majority ethnic group to maintain their interests on the island.

Firstly the British created a proto-TMT to suppress the Cypriots in an attempt to maintain their grip on the island, and secondly the Turks created the TMT to manipulate and influence the island, and protect their southern flank.

The TCs were willing terrorists, and history has shown that both Britain and Turkey's primary agenda wasn't to protect the TC, but to maintain their own specific agendas on the island.

[Pyrpolizer]

Whilst EOKA fought an honorable war to rid the island of British colonial rule, the TMT's sole purpose was to serve as and evil pawn by evil colonial island to maintain a racist agenda to suppress the majority ethnic group to maintain their interests on the island.

Firstly the British created a proto-TMT to suppress the Cypriots in an attempt to maintain their grip on the island, and secondly the Turks created the TMT to manipulate and influence the island, and protect their southern flank.

The TCs were willing terrorists, and history has shown that both Britain and Turkey's primary agenda wasn't to protect the TC, but to maintain their own specific agendas on the island.

Sorry Ed I disagree with you, firstly you seem to forget that Eokas "cause" was not just to liberate Cyprus from the British, it was for Liberation alright AND Enosis. If it were for Liberation only, they would have invited the Kibrislis to join them. We would then have 4 scenarios with number "a" being the most likely one

a)The Kibrislis would still drive towards taksim, fearing of GCs hegemony
b)Ask for return of Cyprus back to Turkey
c)Stick by the the British hoping the Eokas would fail and the British win, so they continue their presence here.
d) Accept to participate and strike a deal for their rights in the new state beforehand.

The important thing here is that "a" the taksim cause would be very weak. Same with "b". "c" would fail sooner or later. "d" would be nice.

However as long as the Eoka cause included "AND ENOSIS" everything else evaporated and we were left with a very strong Taksim drive.

[Lordo]

what i find incredible is how some thick and ignorant people see the eoga strugle as a knoble cause but the tc effort of enosis with turkey as evil. i don't know what weed you aretaking but can i have some please.

or is it that the gcs are the chosen ones and there is one level of legality for them and another for the rest. either you support both on principle or none.

i am still waiting for my shit covered friend to respond to a very simple question. does he support enosis or not. really a yes or a no will do. i will even accept dont know or dont understand the question. but the silence is deafening.

where is that record again. ahh here it is sound of silence.

[Viewpoint]

Some more statements posed as questions...

Haven't we left EOKA behind us in the Free Areas...???

Whether that's left to honour and commemorate that movement or otherwise is a matter of personal deliberation for each of us; in any event aren't they left only as a historical foot-note to Cyprob...???

On the other hand aren't the TMT in the guise of the Illegal Regime still relevant, still ruling the roost in the "tncrtn"...???

Aren't the Rubbish Regime the political face of the still thriving, still controlling TMT still working towards their endgame of a near as dammit Two Countries Partition...???

Isn't the TMT legacy the only Lasting and Relevant Continuity from the mid-50's to the present day...???

I will just express my personal opinion, without having strong evidence to support it.
My friend allow me to doubt whether we left Eoka's "cause" behind us. Remember the second part of Eokas "cause was "AND ENOSIS WITH GREECE". Who initially brought in the Anan plan? Wasn't it Klerides? Wasn't it Klerides who was asking for another 16 months Presidency to "solve the CP" as per Anan Plan? Wasn't it him who fooled Papadopoulos immediately after the latter was elected to ask the UNSG for negotiations based on the Anan Plan? Wasn't his Heir in the DESY party Anastasiades the ONLY supporter of the Anan Plan, wasn't it him who went to the EU saying all those lies that we were terrorized to reject it? Wasn't it the Mitsotakis-Karamanlis Greek Government who officially told us to accept it? All the above guys are remnants of Eoka together with their mainland Greek Counterparts. So what was the REASON behind all this?

Simple: The Anan Plan would fail within months and we would end up with DOUBLE ENOSIS,one part to Greece another to Turkey.
This is exactly the same reason we had the coup in 1974 and the Turkish Invasion. It was an agreement between the Greek Junta- and the CIA, the local Enosists, and Turkey. For DOUBLE ENOSIS. The only problem was that Turkey tricked everybody and grapped more land than what was agreed. Everybody knows e.g that Varoshia and some other areas were NOT in the map.
May God save us, but my biggest fear is that Anastasiades will be elected in February and I guarantee you he will sell us for DOUBLE ENOSIS.

Now as far as the TMT cause is concerned: Surely the Turks are more simple and straight forward in what they are after. They were after Taksim, they still are. They are waiting for our help to get the long agreed DOUBLE ENOSIS. They will share the oil, I mean their crooks will get their share our crooks will get their share, American and other Crooky companies and politicians will get their share and the plain people of Cyprus will get some peanuts.
This is how thinks work today. By stealing people ECONOMICALLY. Not by Killing and doing atrocities. And it doesn't matter if they are Kibislis or Kypreoi. They are all the same for the crooks.

A SIDE NOTE ESPECIALLY FOR VIEWPOINT: Do You know understand my dear VP who is your enemy? Is it Kikapu,is it me?

Not you Pyro you are not my enemy but Kikapoo is 101% he is not to be trusted at all, someone who claims to be a TC but has not got one positive thing to say about our past, fears and concerns is not to be trusted. he has not one negative thing to say about the GCs I must add.

[Me Ed]

Pyrpolizer,

It is my opinion that although I'm anti-enosis, the EOKA cause in itself didn't initially pose a specific threat to the TCs.

People often cite Crete as an example, but there's no evidence that this would have taken place in Cyprus before the Britsh created a "proto-TMT" by manipulating and enrolling willing TC terrorists into a colonial police force.

In reality, the British didn't give a damn about the TCs, their sole motivation was to protect their OWN interests in Cyprus.

As the tide was turning against the British, the Turks then created the TMT whose sole purpose was to prevent Cyprus falling into the hands of Greece, not because they cared about the TCs, but to protect their southern flank.

So as you can see that whilst TCs, as willing terrorists, thought they were fighting for their "freedom", they were in fact doing the bidding of former colonial powers whose primary agenda had nothing to do with their freedom.

So whilst EOKA actually stood for something noble, the TMT actually stood for nothing other than protecting colonial interests.

[Viewpoint]

Pyrpolizer,

It is my opinion that although I'm anti-enosis, the EOKA cause in itself didn't initially pose a specific threat to the TCs.

People often cite Crete as an example, but there's no evidence that this would have taken place in Cyprus before the Britsh created a "proto-TMT" by manipulating and enrolling willing TC terrorists into a colonial police force.

In reality, the British didn't give a damn about the TCs, their sole motivation was to protect their OWN interests in Cyprus.

As the tide was turning against the British, the Turks then created the TMT whose sole purpose was to prevent Cyprus falling into the hands of Greece, not because they cared about the TCs, but to protect their southern flank.

So as you can see that whilst TCs, as willing terrorists, thought they were fighting for their "freedom", they were in fact doing the bidding of former colonial powers whose primary agenda had nothing to do with their freedom.

So whilst EOKA actually stood for something noble, the TMT actually stood for nothing other than protecting colonial interests.

The alternaitve being what exactly? 6ft under and part of Greece, our interests were in union with the Brtis and Turks thats why we fought against your dream for enosis.

[Me Ed]

Pyrpolizer,

It is my opinion that although I'm anti-enosis, the EOKA cause in itself didn't initially pose a specific threat to the TCs.

People often cite Crete as an example, but there's no evidence that this would have taken place in Cyprus before the Britsh created a "proto-TMT" by manipulating and enrolling willing TC terrorists into a colonial police force.

In reality, the British didn't give a damn about the TCs, their sole motivation was to protect their OWN interests in Cyprus.

As the tide was turning against the British, the Turks then created the TMT whose sole purpose was to prevent Cyprus falling into the hands of Greece, not because they cared about the TCs, but to protect their southern flank.

So as you can see that whilst TCs, as willing terrorists, thought they were fighting for their "freedom", they were in fact doing the bidding of former colonial powers whose primary agenda had nothing to do with their freedom.

So whilst EOKA actually stood for something noble, the TMT actually stood for nothing other than protecting colonial interests.

The alternaitve being what exactly? 6ft under and part of Greece, our interests were in union with the Brtis and Turks thats why we fought against your dream for enosis.

Part of Greece? Perhaps.

6ft under? Not initially, but the British and Turks then manipulated you into being their human shields between the EOKAs noble movement for freedom and their military and colonial ambitions.

[Viewpoint]

Pyrpolizer,

It is my opinion that although I'm anti-enosis, the EOKA cause in itself didn't initially pose a specific threat to the TCs.

People often cite Crete as an example, but there's no evidence that this would have taken place in Cyprus before the Britsh created a "proto-TMT" by manipulating and enrolling willing TC terrorists into a colonial police force.

In reality, the British didn't give a damn about the TCs, their sole motivation was to protect their OWN interests in Cyprus.

As the tide was turning against the British, the Turks then created the TMT whose sole purpose was to prevent Cyprus falling into the hands of Greece, not because they cared about the TCs, but to protect their southern flank.

So as you can see that whilst TCs, as willing terrorists, thought they were fighting for their "freedom", they were in fact doing the bidding of former colonial powers whose primary agenda had nothing to do with their freedom.

So whilst EOKA actually stood for something noble, the TMT actually stood for nothing other than protecting colonial interests.

The alternaitve being what exactly? 6ft under and part of Greece, our interests were in union with the Brtis and Turks thats why we fought against your dream for enosis.

Part of Greece? Perhaps.

6ft under? Not initially, but the British and Turks then manipulated you into being their human shields between the EOKAs noble movement for freedom and their military and colonial ambitions.

We awere fighting against the eoka terrorists to stop them from gifting Cyprus to Greece with or without the TCs people, We had to use everything at our disposal to stop and siding with the turks and Brits was the only way we could fight you back on your terms. You still dont get it do you this noble cause of turning Cyprus into Greece meant our death warrant we were not going to take this lightly and fought back for survival.

[Pyrpolizer]

Pyrpolizer,

It is my opinion that although I'm anti-enosis, the EOKA cause in itself didn't initially pose a specific threat to the TCs.

People often cite Crete as an example, but there's no evidence that this would have taken place in Cyprus before the Britsh created a "proto-TMT" by manipulating and enrolling willing TC terrorists into a colonial police force.

In reality, the British didn't give a damn about the TCs, their sole motivation was to protect their OWN interests in Cyprus.

As the tide was turning against the British, the Turks then created the TMT whose sole purpose was to prevent Cyprus falling into the hands of Greece, not because they cared about the TCs, but to protect their southern flank.

So as you can see that whilst TCs, as willing terrorists, thought they were fighting for their "freedom", they were in fact doing the bidding of former colonial powers whose primary agenda had nothing to do with their freedom.

So whilst EOKA actually stood for something noble, the TMT actually stood for nothing other than protecting colonial interests.

Interesting thoughts there Ed.
Now on whether the Eokas cause posed a threat to the Kibrislis is not upto us to decide it is upto them. And the truth is is caused fear and concern to all of them. It is this fear that made them wanting taksim. Like I said before the only way for the Kibrislis not to want taksim would be to strike a deal with them beforehand, and then enter together with them in a struggle for an independent state. Imo the Kibrislis would still want taksim even if there was no Enosis clause, and this would rise from another fear that of GC total hegemony of the new state.

Look at what happened after the coup, not even one Kibrisli was hurt ,and yet still Turkey Invaded.Why? Because of fear of great risk. It is human nature. No human can wait for the worst to happen especially if that worst is about his life. Humans take preventive measures.

Suppose you were a Kibrisli. Suppose you would take the risk and let the Kypreoi go ahead with Enosis. Could I as a Kypreos quarantee your future in Cyprus, could I guarantee the safety of your life under the mainland Greek hands? I personally couldn't do that, and imo at best the Kibrislis would one day be exchanged with the remaining Greeks living in Turkey.

I do share your view that Turkey never gave a shit about the Kibrislis, (in my view Greece never gave a shit about the Kypreoi either) but what the hell Kucuk was it or Denktash, they created the TMT to organize their people against a very real danger (as they saw it). TMT needed guns, so it soon fell under the wings of the Turkish Military...While not giving a shit for the Kibrislis they earned from the situation by protecting Turkey's southern wing as you said. And they sealed their protection in 1974, God knows if we will ever be able to get rid of them here in Cyprus.