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[Viewpoint]

Do we really expect our versions of the past to agree, this will never happen so why do we waste time going around in circles when we can agree to disagree, you yourself Pyro admitted that the TCs being the weaker community got hurt more, so lets look forward and try to understand why we do not trust each other and what can be done to counter these fears and build trust. What suggestions do you have?

[Lordo]

Do we really expect our versions of the past to agree, this will never happen so why do we waste time going around in circles when we can agree to disagree, you yourself Pyro admitted that the TCs being the weaker community got hurt more, so lets look forward and try to understand why we do not trust each other and what can be done to counter these fears and build trust. What suggestions do you have?

i have a good one. bbf.

[Pyrpolizer]

Do we really expect our versions of the past to agree, this will never happen so why do we waste time going around in circles when we can agree to disagree, you yourself Pyro admitted that the TCs being the weaker community got hurt more, so lets look forward and try to understand why we do not trust each other and what can be done to counter these fears and build trust. What suggestions do you have?

I am actually very happy that a large number of people from both communities have made a sincere effort to search,learn, and understand the other community's suffering.For me this is very satisfactory for the time being. The rest will come after a solution gradually as the time passes and we undergo under the same difficulties or successes together. The first results will be obvious within the first 10 years.

Unfortunately I don't see any way to do that earlier to any degree that would really make an impact.
What actually disturbs me the most is that at this point a solution has been made impossible because you always had partitionist leaders (except Talat) who were working hard to make SOLUTION IMPOSSIBLE. Bravo to them they succeeded.

[Viewpoint]

Do we really expect our versions of the past to agree, this will never happen so why do we waste time going around in circles when we can agree to disagree, you yourself Pyro admitted that the TCs being the weaker community got hurt more, so lets look forward and try to understand why we do not trust each other and what can be done to counter these fears and build trust. What suggestions do you have?

I am actually very happy that a large number of people from both communities have made a sincere effort to search,learn, and understand the other community's suffering.For me this is very satisfactory for the time being. The rest will come after a solution gradually as the time passes and we undergo under the same difficulties or successes together. The first results will be obvious within the first 10 years.

Unfortunately I don't see any way to do that earlier to any degree that would really make an impact.
What actually disturbs me the most is that at this point a solution has been made impossible because you always had partitionist leaders (except Talat) who were working hard to make SOLUTION IMPOSSIBLE. Bravo to them they succeeded.

Have you ever considered that maybe we are unable to find a solution because neither side wants one and that forcing one would have very grave conequences, maybe we are not meant to live together because we are so different.

[Pyrpolizer]

Do we really expect our versions of the past to agree, this will never happen so why do we waste time going around in circles when we can agree to disagree, you yourself Pyro admitted that the TCs being the weaker community got hurt more, so lets look forward and try to understand why we do not trust each other and what can be done to counter these fears and build trust. What suggestions do you have?

I am actually very happy that a large number of people from both communities have made a sincere effort to search,learn, and understand the other community's suffering.For me this is very satisfactory for the time being. The rest will come after a solution gradually as the time passes and we undergo under the same difficulties or successes together. The first results will be obvious within the first 10 years.

Unfortunately I don't see any way to do that earlier to any degree that would really make an impact.
What actually disturbs me the most is that at this point a solution has been made impossible because you always had partitionist leaders (except Talat) who were working hard to make SOLUTION IMPOSSIBLE. Bravo to them they succeeded.

Have you ever considered that maybe we are unable to find a solution because neither side wants one and that forcing one would have very grave conequences, maybe we are not meant to live together because we are so different.

I can confirm that my side really wants a solution and it's genuine about it. I can confirm it wants a solution that will be in the best interests of both sides. Whats evident for me is that your side + Turkey also want a solution, but what kind of solution? The kind of solution that will legalize the results of the invasion and all those illegalities that followed be it settlers properties etc !! In addition they want a solution that will serve their interests ONLY plus the strategic interests of Turkey. so there is a BIG DIFFERENCE.

Let's not confuse the "living together" with the target of wanting a solution. The GCs have differences even compared with the Maronites or the Armenians.So undoubtedly they are different from the Tcs also. Living together is easy though as long as there is respect to each other. However the living together is not the scope per se. The SOLUTION is the scope and there can be no solution other that living together in a common state. I hope you understand this.

[Viewpoint]

Just stating you want a solution does not really cut it, actions speak louder than words, we can honestly say that the GCs have not once accepted a solution put before them, they have even reneged on the 1960 agreements pushing the TCs into touch, so forgive me for questioning no in fact not believing that you GCs are not genuine.

Another point is what in your opinion is best for both sides does not really entice trust due to our checkered past, you must reveal details that will persuade us into understanding that you have incorporated our concerns and fears and not just regards them as GCs have a habit of doing.

Its the solution that evades us the solution that will make us want to live together, if the solution is anything like you have in the south then I and the majority TCs are not interested as we could move south today but we choose not to as the south does not represent us. I hope you understand this.

The major problem as I see it is trust we do not trust each other one iota, therefore our demands appear to be outside of the norm because we do not want to leave anything to chance as we aware from our past experiences.

[Pyrpolizer]

Do you honestly beleive that Denktash ever wanted a solution? Or Eroglu?

[Maximus]

I have the best solution and that is separation.

The Turkish armed forces will leave, as we all agree and their will be a republic of Turkey and a republic of Cyprus, separated by 60 miles of sea. The legitimate 'Turkish Cypriots' can then decide out of their own free will whether they are Cypriot or Turkish, to either remain as an ethnic [religious] minority in EU Cyprus or repatriate to their Turkish Republic and live as a majority with all the Turkish trimmings.

when the illegals get repatriated or face litigation under Cypriot law, the property conundrum will be resolved easily.

[repulsewarrior]

I have the best solution and that is separation.

The Turkish armed forces will leave, as we all agree and their will be a republic of Turkey and a republic of Cyprus, separated by 60 miles of sea. The legitimate 'Turkish Cypriots' can then decide out of their own free will whether they are Cypriot or Turkish, to either remain as an ethnic [religious] minority in EU Cyprus or repatriate to their Turkish Republic and live as a majority with all the Turkish trimmings.

when the illegals get repatriated or face litigation under Cypriot law, the property conundrum will be resolved easily.

...well said, precisely so, but by shear numbers, 'Greek Cypriots' can represent themselves.

bigger the engagement of these People, as Cypriots, it is to define the realm of the State, the Freedoms that all Citizens defend, and the realm of the Nations within, Liberty for citzens, electors as Persons, as well; this is Bicommunal, like enclaves, by usage not a dirty, word.

[Maximus]

It really is not difficult, it really is not.

It is purposefully made so because of the invader.