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[Viewpoint]

You cannot claim TCs are citizens and in the EU reaping the benefits then discriminate against TCs who have always lived in the north.

TCs are citizens when the live south. Criminals when they live north. Period.

Your government doesnt agree with you.

[Maximus]

You cannot claim TCs are citizens and in the EU reaping the benefits then discriminate against TCs who have always lived in the north.

TCs are citizens when the live south. Criminals when they live north. Period.

Your government doesnt agree with you.

The world does not agree with or recognize your government.

[Kikapu]

Pyro I dont see why such a big deal is being made out of this subject people go where they can get the best medical treatment for their money this can be the UK USA Turkey or South Cyprus.

The point is that you still avoid to admit that both the free medical services as well as the paid private medical services at the occupied are of low quality.

You also missed my point that I personally, as well as many other Kypreoi like me ARE NOT entitled of free medical care at Government hospitals. If we are to follow your logic that would be a discrimination again me, therefore I would need further checks and balances to remedy this "bad" Democracy.
Btw those of us who ARE NOT entitled of free medical care, are the MAJORITY of the Kypreoi.

Don't get me wrong, Democracy is not a perfect system, but until the time comes that we as humans invent something better, this is the best we can have. Kikapu explained you very well that it surely differs from other forms of "Democracy" like for example the Turkish Erdogan form of Autocracy, or Neo-Sultanism :mrgreen

Could it be that your income level is well above the poverty line? so thats why you pay. Have you understood anything I have written? if every citizen below the poverty is to pay for healthcare then without a doubt the TCs also have to pay but bring about this law only so that TCs who are considered below the poverty line ie pure discrimination and if this is what you peddle as true democracy and human rights then you can keep it. It also provides a great example of how true democracy and human rights can be manipulated to the benefit of one community.

Laws cannot be manipulated to benefit one community over another in a Democracy, specially in the EU. That only happens in non Democratic countries like Turkey.

How does the RoC know which TCs are under the poverty line if they do not live or work in the south?

Which poverty line do they use for the TCs, the one that exists in the RoC or the one in the occupied north?

If used the one in the RoC, doesn't that make most TCs living in the north fall below the poverty line?

Admit it, VP, that the reason as to why TCs come to the RoC for treatment, free or paying, is because they do not get good healthcare in the north, even though it's free for them to stay in the north.

[Viewpoint]

Why do you think the GCs have had to provide free healthcare? its because all TCs are considered to be earning below the poverty line, a decision taken by the south to show they also cater for a community they claim to represent and who have citizenship.

How ironic you yourself have fallen into the trap by exposing how your true democracy and human rights can easily be manipulated to the benefit of certain people who live in specific areas of the island, now you are trying to backtrack and save face.

As for the standard of healthcare in the south compared to the north we also have GCs crossing to the north for healthcare albeit not free at our Near East Hospital, this proves the families who need medical care will go where ever they can get the best treatment for the best price according to their financial means. No doubt there are some great doctors in the south just as there are in the USA UK or Turkey but when you add to this free its a no contest decision. Now do you get it?

[B25]

As for the standard of healthcare in the south compared to the north we also have GCs crossing to the north for healthcare albeit not free at our Near East Hospital

LIAR, LIAR LIAR.

[Pyrpolizer]

There is in fact a clinic at the occupied for detoxification from narcotics that some Kypreoi use...
Problem is the method they are using is not acceptable by EU medical standards...
I also know some people who do their dental at the occupied because prices are almost 1/3rd.
But for known diseases I really doubt anyone goes to the occupied.

VP has a point that people seek the best possible medical care according to their wallet...
Still however does not want to admit that in general the medical care at the occupied is of low quality, that's why so many Kibrislis come to the free areas, seeking med care at government or private hospitals.

[Pyrpolizer]

Why do you think the GCs have had to provide free healthcare? its because all TCs are considered to be earning below the poverty line, a decision taken by the south to show they also cater for a community they claim to represent and who have citizenship.

How ironic you yourself have fallen into the trap by exposing how your true democracy and human rights can easily be manipulated to the benefit of certain people who live in specific areas of the island, now you are trying to backtrack and save face.

As for the standard of healthcare in the south compared to the north we also have GCs crossing to the north for healthcare albeit not free at our Near East Hospital, this proves the families who need medical care will go where ever they can get the best treatment for the best price according to their financial means. No doubt there are some great doctors in the south just as there are in the USA UK or Turkey but when you add to this free its a no contest decision. Now do you get it?

VP please stop it. RoC had absolutely no obligation to provide anything to the Kibrislis, who live in the occupied. They did this at a time we had enough money to show some support for you and our good will. Now things have changed, there are no money most government allowances have been cut off to the Cypriots who live here and pay taxes.At the moment they only apply a small visiting fee at Government hospitals, about 10 Euros, the medicines and the medical care that costs thousands still remains free.
HOWEVER there is a new law proposal that I am absolutely certain will p[ass either this month or next February after the elections that says
that In order to be eligible for free medical care at the Government hospitals

a)You must have paid social insurance for the past 3 years
b)You must have submitted income tax forms for the the same period
c)Your income must not exceed a certain value.

In short all Kibrislis who live in the occupied will be out, same with foreign workers who live here for less than 3 years, same with the Kypreoi who don't pay their taxes.

Yep this is how Democracy works. And this is how it should.

[Kikapu]

Why do you think the GCs have had to provide free healthcare? its because all TCs are considered to be earning below the poverty line, a decision taken by the south to show they also cater for a community they claim to represent and who have citizenship.

How ironic you yourself have fallen into the trap by exposing how your true democracy and human rights can easily be manipulated to the benefit of certain people who live in specific areas of the island, now you are trying to backtrack and save face.

As for the standard of healthcare in the south compared to the north we also have GCs crossing to the north for healthcare albeit not free at our Near East Hospital, this proves the families who need medical care will go where ever they can get the best treatment for the best price according to their financial means. No doubt there are some great doctors in the south just as there are in the USA UK or Turkey but when you add to this free its a no contest decision. Now do you get it?

You don't know what you are talking about when it comes to Democracy or Human Rights, since it is not something that is practiced in the north or in Turkey, therefore, you are the last person on the forum to give us a lessons on Democracy and Human Rights. Laws under democracy apply to ALL citizens of that country and not to certain people as you would like to make.

For one, every country's laws only apply withing the land they control, and secondly, ALL citizens of any country who are covered under the laws of that country are entitled to the benefits and responsibilities of that country. That's how democracy works as equal citizenship for all. TCs living in the north technically do not fall under the laws of the RoC, but exemptions can be made if willing by the RoC and can also be retracted by the RoC. This has nothing to do with Democracy and Human Rights by removing any benefits given to the TCs who are living in the occupied areas on their own free will. It is no different than Cypriots living in the UK or Australia, because the laws of the RoC does not extent to these countries and neither does it to the occupied areas of Cyprus.

[Viewpoint]

Why do you think the GCs have had to provide free healthcare? its because all TCs are considered to be earning below the poverty line, a decision taken by the south to show they also cater for a community they claim to represent and who have citizenship.

How ironic you yourself have fallen into the trap by exposing how your true democracy and human rights can easily be manipulated to the benefit of certain people who live in specific areas of the island, now you are trying to backtrack and save face.

As for the standard of healthcare in the south compared to the north we also have GCs crossing to the north for healthcare albeit not free at our Near East Hospital, this proves the families who need medical care will go where ever they can get the best treatment for the best price according to their financial means. No doubt there are some great doctors in the south just as there are in the USA UK or Turkey but when you add to this free its a no contest decision. Now do you get it?

VP please stop it. RoC had absolutely no obligation to provide anything to the Kibrislis, who live in the occupied. They did this at a time we had enough money to show some support for you and our good will. Now things have changed, there are no money most government allowances have been cut off to the Cypriots who live here and pay taxes.At the moment they only apply a small visiting fee at Government hospitals, about 10 Euros, the medicines and the medical care that costs thousands still remains free.
HOWEVER there is a new law proposal that I am absolutely certain will p[ass either this month or next February after the elections that says
that In order to be eligible for free medical care at the Government hospitals

a)You must have paid social insurance for the past 3 years
b)You must have submitted income tax forms for the the same period
c)Your income must not exceed a certain value.

In short all Kibrislis who live in the occupied will be out, same with foreign workers who live here for less than 3 years, same with the Kypreoi who don't pay their taxes.

Yep this is how Democracy works. And this is how it should.

So what you are saying is that "RoC" citizens that reside in the North and have always resided there who cannot pay taxes direct to the "RoC", live below the poverty line cannot benefit from healthcare in the south paid or free?

Do you know expats in the UK who live in the TRNC can benefit from free healthcare in the UK?

Sounds like the "RoC" will be paying a lot more for expenisve court cases and compensation when they are sued for discrimination on the basis of residency, although they claim to represent the whole island benefiting accordingly.

Interesting times ahead, all we need is one death of a TC at the hands of the "true democratic" health system in the south and the reprecussions that follow...way to go "RoC".

[Viewpoint]

Why do you think the GCs have had to provide free healthcare? its because all TCs are considered to be earning below the poverty line, a decision taken by the south to show they also cater for a community they claim to represent and who have citizenship.

How ironic you yourself have fallen into the trap by exposing how your true democracy and human rights can easily be manipulated to the benefit of certain people who live in specific areas of the island, now you are trying to backtrack and save face.

As for the standard of healthcare in the south compared to the north we also have GCs crossing to the north for healthcare albeit not free at our Near East Hospital, this proves the families who need medical care will go where ever they can get the best treatment for the best price according to their financial means. No doubt there are some great doctors in the south just as there are in the USA UK or Turkey but when you add to this free its a no contest decision. Now do you get it?

You don't know what you are talking about when it comes to Democracy or Human Rights, since it is not something that is practiced in the north or in Turkey, therefore, you are the last person on the forum to give us a lessons on Democracy and Human Rights. Laws under democracy apply to ALL citizens of that country and not to certain people as you would like to make.

For one, every country's laws only apply withing the land they control, and secondly, ALL citizens of any country who are covered under the laws of that country are entitled to the benefits and responsibilities of that country. That's how democracy works as equal citizenship for all. TCs living in the north technically do not fall under the laws of the RoC, but exemptions can be made if willing by the RoC and can also be retracted by the RoC. This has nothing to do with Democracy and Human Rights by removing any benefits given to the TCs who are living in the occupied areas on their own free will. It is no different than Cypriots living in the UK or Australia, because the laws of the RoC does not extent to these countries and neither does it to the occupied areas of Cyprus.

You appear to be in distress over the fact that you have been found out that what you peddle is riddled with loopholes and can easily be manipulated to the benefit of Cypriot Citizens living in the south, my democracy says that you should not be allowed to discriminate against people who have lived in certain parts of Cyprus for centuries? I think you are on very thin ice and the EU would not be to happy about medical healthcare being used to discriminate against people who are also willing to pay and are being asked to be treated the same as other citizens, but keep up the good work Kikapoo your last posts have revealed exactly what we have feared all along.