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Getting back to the real subject, I think the 100.000 being referred to in the south are the 14% living below the poverty line, so in fact every "RoC" registered citizen will have to pay for health care, thats how it should be otherwise the GC administrators would be discriminating against TCs who they claim to represent and reep the benefits.

[Kikapu]

Getting back to the real subject, I think the 100.000 being referred to in the south are the 14% living below the poverty line, so in fact every "RoC" registered citizen will have to pay for health care, thats how it should be otherwise the GC administrators would be discriminating against TCs who they claim to represent and reep the benefits.

I don't know how you reached that conclusion, because if we are to take the article seriously, it clearly states that 100,000 in the south would also have to pay for medical costs. It does NOT say that the 100,000 would be exempt from paying and that the rest in the south would be paying. It is more in line with, ALL will get free healthcare in the south except for the 100,000, and since there aren't 100,000 TCs living in the south (or anywhere on the whole island for that matter), it cannot be the TCs who are targeted in the south. TCs in the south will be treated like any GC living in the south, therefore there is no discrimination as you would like make believe. Those TCs living beyond the areas the RoC controls or do not contribute to healtcare cost in the form of taxes, will be left out for Turkey to take care of them. The RoC will not face any political problems at all. For the TCs living in the north, they will continue getting free healthcare provided by Turkey, so where is the problem?

RoC does represent ALL her citizens and it does also benefit politically by doing so, but that does not mean a RoC citizen can ONLY take benefits from the RoC and not give anything in return. It is a two-way street and not a one-way street. Citizens also have responsibility to the state that represents them, the Good, the Bad and the Ugly!

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I know you are not to bright Kikapoo but even you should be able to understand that if a state claims to represent its citizens it cannot disregard a group of them because they live in the north south or are black or white or TC or GC, thats why the south has been forced to provide these services all these years. Now the real issue here is the poverty line will every citizen irrelevent of where they live, living below this poverty line pay? or is it one rule for the GCs and another for the TCs? isnt that discriminaiton in your version of human rights and true democracy you peddle. If the same rule applies to all the citizens who have "RoC" passports then of course the TCs should pay but if it is the case where GCs do not pay and Tcs are forced to pay then the number of peole suing the "RoC" will rocket with devastating damages as we are talking about health and death.

[Kikapu]

I know you are not to bright Kikapoo but even you should be able to understand that if a state claims to represent its citizens it cannot disregard a group of them because they live in the north south or are black or white or TC or GC, thats why the south has been forced to provide these services all these years. Now the real issue here is the poverty line will every citizen irrelevent of where they live, living below this poverty line pay? or is it one rule for the GCs and another for the TCs? isnt that discriminaiton in your version of human rights and true democracy you peddle. If the same rule applies to all the citizens who have "RoC" passports then of course the TCs should pay but if it is the case where GCs do not pay and Tcs are forced to pay then the number of peole suing the "RoC" will rocket with devastating damages as we are talking about health and death.

You are more confused than I ever thought.

By the way, just for my information, who forced the RoC to provide these healthcare services to the TCs living in the "trnc", and who is going to punish her if she withdrew them?

So what happened to your claim that the "trnc" will get instant recognition should any services be withdrawn by the RoC given to the TCs living in the "trnc".

Why would any TC living in the "trnc" have the right to sue the RoC over denied healthcare services when they can get free healthcare services in the north? Can you explain this to me please.

So far I haven't heard ANY Cypriot citizen living in the RoC will pay for anything. Only those RoC citizens not living in the RoC will pay, which means any RoC citizens living in the illegal "trnc" under foreign occupation or those living anywhere else in the world, or do you think I should be able to come to the RoC from Switzerland just to get free healthcare, have any needed operations, hospital stay and then return back to Switzerland free of charge? If not, is the RoC then discriminating against me and any other Cypriot in the word wanting to do the same? If so, then I'm going to demand they pay for my flight also as well as any costs for ground transportation.

[Me Ed]

The US fought the British on the tag line "no taxation without representation".

VP and Lordo are fighting the RoC on a new one "representation without taxation".

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I know you are not to bright Kikapoo but even you should be able to understand that if a state claims to represent its citizens it cannot disregard a group of them because they live in the north south or are black or white or TC or GC, thats why the south has been forced to provide these services all these years. Now the real issue here is the poverty line will every citizen irrelevent of where they live, living below this poverty line pay? or is it one rule for the GCs and another for the TCs? isnt that discriminaiton in your version of human rights and true democracy you peddle. If the same rule applies to all the citizens who have "RoC" passports then of course the TCs should pay but if it is the case where GCs do not pay and Tcs are forced to pay then the number of peole suing the "RoC" will rocket with devastating damages as we are talking about health and death.

You are more confused than I ever thought.

By the way, just for my information, who forced the RoC to provide these healthcare services to the TCs living in the "trnc", and who is going to punish her if she withdrew them?

So what happened to your claim that the "trnc" will get instant recognition should any services be withdrawn by the RoC given to the TCs living in the "trnc".

Why would any TC living in the "trnc" have the right to sue the RoC over denied healthcare services when they can get free healthcare services in the north? Can you explain this to me please.

So far I haven't heard ANY Cypriot citizen living in the RoC will pay for anything. Only those RoC citizens not living in the RoC will pay, which means any RoC citizens living in the illegal "trnc" under foreign occupation or those living anywhere else in the world, or do you think I should be able to come to the RoC from Switzerland just to get free healthcare, have any needed operations, hospital stay and then return back to Switzerland free of charge? If not, is the RoC then discriminating against me and any other Cypriot in the word wanting to do the same? If so, then I'm going to demand they pay for my flight also as well as any costs for ground transportation.

No my very confused enemy, everyone can see you are the one who is at a loss without a clue.

Citizens of the "RoC" whos incomes are above the proverty line do pay for health care are you aware of this fact? its only those that are certified below this figure which includes the TCs (due to non acceptence of offcial forms form the TRNC) that get free health care.

Now if the law changes and it states those considered below the poverty line will pay for their healthcare then this will cover all citizens irrelevent of where they reside on the island, do you agree?

But if a law is being brought about where those residing in the south living below the poverty line will not pay but those that reside in the north again below the poverty line will pay then those citizens in the north will claim discrimination and take the "RoC" to court and sue them, its the "RoC" that claims it represents all its citizens and reeps the rewards.

As for recognition? have the services been stopped officially? has this been declared to the world that the "RoC" will not provide free healthcare to TCs because they reside in the north yet provide fre healthcare to those that reside in the south??
When this is official we can talk again as it will be an issue of great leverage for the TCs.

Switzerland is not in the EU so probably not but someone from the UK coming to the south should be able to get treatment for free if you have a European Health Insurance Card .

Lets hope the "RoC" fall into this trap, if all "citizens" irrelevent of whether they live above or below the poverty line are expected to pay then of course this includes TCs but if TCs are penalised for residing in the north for the last 100 years then thats called discrimination in anyones book.

[bill cobbett]

Well there is no "trap" if all citizens, without exception, are expected to provide acceptable forms of evidence to prove their income. Naturally any evidence of the photoshopped sort isn't acceptable.

Anyway to be constructive... the cost to the Treasury of the Republic of providing no questions asked medical care to the CYs suffering directly under the Occupation is some 5 Million Euros a year. A few days ago the EU announced a further aid package to the CYs up there of some 25 Million Euros for various projects. There may be a case for the Union to make over a further and very trifling to the EU 5 Million Euros a year to continue with the present health care arrangements.

(Oh ... and for the benefit of our Swiss readership and EU citizens visiting Switzerland, the EHIC health insurance system applies in CH.)

[Kikapu]

No my very confused enemy, everyone can see you are the one who is at a loss without a clue.

Citizens of the "RoC" whos incomes are above the proverty line do pay for health care are you aware of this fact? its only those that are certified below this figure which includes the TCs (due to non acceptence of offcial forms form the TRNC) that get free health care.

Now if the law changes and it states those considered below the poverty line will pay for their healthcare then this will cover all citizens irrelevent of where they reside on the island, do you agree?

But if a law is being brought about where those residing in the south living below the poverty line will not pay but those that reside in the north again below the poverty line will pay then those citizens in the north will claim discrimination and take the "RoC" to court and sue them, its the "RoC" that claims it represents all its citizens and reeps the rewards.

As for recognition? have the services been stopped officially? has this been declared to the world that the "RoC" will not provide free healthcare to TCs because they reside in the north yet provide fre healthcare to those that reside in the south??
When this is official we can talk again as it will be an issue of great leverage for the TCs.

Switzerland is not in the EU so probably not but someone from the UK coming to the south should be able to get treatment for free if you have a European Health Insurance Card .

Lets hope the "RoC" fall into this trap, if all "citizens" irrelevent of whether they live above or below the poverty line are expected to pay then of course this includes TCs but if TCs are penalised for residing in the north for the last 100 years then thats called discrimination in anyones book.

We discussed this few months ago, that the RoC can easily get around the law of health care issue even if what you wrote above a true, by charging every citizen for health-care, and then turn around and give them credit deductions on their taxes where those spent money on health care will be able to claim it back. It will be an easy loophole where any TC not working or living in the RoC would not benefit from this loophole and there's nothing anyone can do anything about it. So no, the "trnc" will not get any recognition if health care are cut for the TCs living in the north.

Yes Switzerland is not a EU country, but have a lot of Bi-lateral agreements with the EU, but lets put that to one side, because Bill already addressed the Swiss issue. The north is not recognised by the EU, so where does that leave the TCs? Nowhere but to get free health care in the north only. Also, there not has been TCs living in the "north" for the last 100 years. They have been living in Cyprus for the last 100 years and beyond. The "north" as we all know it, is only an area of Cyprus under illegal foreign occupation who should be providing all the TCs free health care, and they will have to.

Why is it you and Lordo are refusing to answer the simple question as to why the TCs want to come to the RoC for free health care when they can get free health care in the north. What are you two trying to hide?

[bill cobbett]

Yes, VP tell us now cos it is an important point... why come in to the Free Areas for health care in the first place...???

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No my very confused enemy, everyone can see you are the one who is at a loss without a clue.

Citizens of the "RoC" whos incomes are above the proverty line do pay for health care are you aware of this fact? its only those that are certified below this figure which includes the TCs (due to non acceptence of offcial forms form the TRNC) that get free health care.

Now if the law changes and it states those considered below the poverty line will pay for their healthcare then this will cover all citizens irrelevent of where they reside on the island, do you agree?

But if a law is being brought about where those residing in the south living below the poverty line will not pay but those that reside in the north again below the poverty line will pay then those citizens in the north will claim discrimination and take the "RoC" to court and sue them, its the "RoC" that claims it represents all its citizens and reeps the rewards.

As for recognition? have the services been stopped officially? has this been declared to the world that the "RoC" will not provide free healthcare to TCs because they reside in the north yet provide fre healthcare to those that reside in the south??
When this is official we can talk again as it will be an issue of great leverage for the TCs.

Switzerland is not in the EU so probably not but someone from the UK coming to the south should be able to get treatment for free if you have a European Health Insurance Card .

Lets hope the "RoC" fall into this trap, if all "citizens" irrelevent of whether they live above or below the poverty line are expected to pay then of course this includes TCs but if TCs are penalised for residing in the north for the last 100 years then thats called discrimination in anyones book.

We discussed this few months ago, that the RoC can easily get around the law of health care issue even if what you wrote above a true, by charging every citizen for health-care, and then turn around and give them credit deductions on their taxes where those spent money on health care will be able to claim it back. It will be an easy loophole where any TC not working or living in the RoC would not benefit from this loophole and there's nothing anyone can do anything about it. So no, the "trnc" will not get any recognition if health care are cut for the TCs living in the north.

Yes Switzerland is not a EU country, but have a lot of Bi-lateral agreements with the EU, but lets put that to one side, because Bill already addressed the Swiss issue. The north is not recognised by the EU, so where does that leave the TCs? Nowhere but to get free health care in the north only. Also, there not has been TCs living in the "north" for the last 100 years. They have been living in Cyprus for the last 100 years and beyond. The "north" as we all know it, is only an area of Cyprus under illegal foreign occupation who should be providing all the TCs free health care, and they will have to.

Why is it you and Lordo are refusing to answer the simple question as to why the TCs want to come to the RoC for free health care when they can get free health care in the north. What are you two trying to hide?

Loop holes and trickery appear to the main theme in your version of true democracy and human rights for all as long as you are a GC living in the south, manipulating the system for the detriment of one community appears to be your only goal and all under the camouflage of true democracy and human rights for all, thank you for proving my point.

As for the comment about the TCs living in the north for 100 years, it was to try and enhance the understanding that TCs under your proposed system will be penalized for residing in the north part of Cyprus for generations, what are they supposed to do move south? please this ideology is so comical you will be the laughing stock of the EU. Troyka will enforce charges for all citizens irrelevant of whether they live north or south of the border.

Heres the answer to your question which I was not trying to avoid, Why not go to the south for free healthcare if its on offer and paid for benefits derived from claiming the GC administration represent provide for all its citizens? If you offer it and someone uses you should not complain didnt your mummy teach you good manners? obviously not.