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[Lordo]

Will the 14% of GCs who live below the poverty line also have to pay? if the south is to treat all her citizens equally and make TCs pay then surely the GCs in the same situation are also going to have to pay. Interesting move, the financial problems I predicted for the south and everyone (GCs+1) denied is starting to hit hard, they cannot stop the services all together as this would have internaitonal reprecussions but bring about a charge is not solely for the TCs but all those including those living in the south and under the poverty line.

My guess is, all Cypriot citizens living in the free areas of the RoC will be given free health care. The article states 100,000 in the RoC will also have to pay in the future, along with the TCs living in the "trnc". The 100,000 could well be all foreign nationals, but TCs living in the RoC will continue receiving free health care. TC's not living or working in the RoC will be denied free health care in the RoC, just like me as a British citizen living abroad does not qualify to receive free health care in the UK.

perhaps you can explain to us why a tc living in the south for 3 years working and paying taxes is being refused it. while you are at it perhaps you can also explain why he cant get his house back after 3 years. you really ought to make some friends who live in the south to get an idea what they are going though before making such stupid statements.

[Kikapu]

Will the 14% of GCs who live below the poverty line also have to pay? if the south is to treat all her citizens equally and make TCs pay then surely the GCs in the same situation are also going to have to pay. Interesting move, the financial problems I predicted for the south and everyone (GCs+1) denied is starting to hit hard, they cannot stop the services all together as this would have internaitonal reprecussions but bring about a charge is not solely for the TCs but all those including those living in the south and under the poverty line.

My guess is, all Cypriot citizens living in the free areas of the RoC will be given free health care. The article states 100,000 in the RoC will also have to pay in the future, along with the TCs living in the "trnc". The 100,000 could well be all foreign nationals, but TCs living in the RoC will continue receiving free health care. TC's not living or working in the RoC will be denied free health care in the RoC, just like me as a British citizen living abroad does not qualify to receive free health care in the UK.

perhaps you can explain to us why a tc living in the south for 3 years working and paying taxes is being refused it. while you are at it perhaps you can also explain why he cant get his house back after 3 years. you really ought to make some friends who live in the south to get an idea what they are going though before making such stupid statements.

Most probably this certain TC you are referring to is in the same boat as the other GCs who are not entitled for free healthcare based on their income situation. If so, don't you think it is fair that all are treated as equals if their circumstances are the same?

The reason as to why he cannot get his house back in the RoC is because, perhaps he was in Cyprus in 1974 when the invasion by Turkey occurred. Part of the conditions set by the RoC on the return of TC properties are, is that any TC who were in Cyprus in 74 will need to wait to get their properties along with the GCs who has left properties in the north in an overall settlement. Had the TC in question was not in Cyprus in 1974, then he would have his property returned long time ago, just like our good friend Deniz and others have.

[Viewpoint]

its ambigous and in my opinion, you are skirting around the edges, do you agree with Bills rough outline of a BBF?

Which is?

[Viewpoint]

who said the following "Democracy is like a sand dune that shifts it's shape and position with time to various directions based on where the wind is blowing from and how strong." shouldnt democracy be strong and perpetual, treating everyone equal and not constanly changing to suit specific citizens, this deifnition is very dangerous and unpredictable.

[bill cobbett]

its ambigous and in my opinion, you are skirting around the edges, do you agree with Bills rough outline of a BBF?

Which is?

ahem...

A zonal arrangement on an 18:82 territory split with 2 semi-autonomous regions under a strong central government
No Secession, No Taksim, No Enosis
President and Vice-Pres run on a cross zone joint ticket (as per USA) elected by simple majority
Lower House 50:50
Upper House 18:82
No Blocking powers
Compliant with UN resolutions.
Compliant with EU Primary standards.
Treaty of Guarantee torn up within 5 years of Settlement Day
Freedom of Movement guaranteed.
Equal and effective participation in government for all
Fully respecting everyone's Property Rights
Fully respecting everyone's Home Rights that have been acquired since 74.
CarpetBuggers are dumped on the GB High Commission for resettling off the Island.
Illegal Settlers relocated at Turkey's expense off the Island save those born on CY or married to CYs.
GB makes over Sovereignty of the BAs to the New Republic and negotiates a lease arrangement on a much reduced area.

[Kikapu]

who said the following "Democracy is like a sand dune that shifts it's shape and position with time to various directions based on where the wind is blowing from and how strong." shouldnt democracy be strong and perpetual, treating everyone equal and not constanly changing to suit specific citizens, this deifnition is very dangerous and unpredictable.

You are mixing metaphor used for describing how Democracy works in the west based on political will of the people who all have an effective say in how a country is run to something that does not exist in your understanding of what a Democracy is. Your understanding of Democracy is actually what communism is in theory, and even then, communist not based in practice.

You really need to take "Democracy 101 for Idiots" course if you plan to live as part of the EU.

[repulsewarrior]

...indeed vp, the State is unshifting, Governments come and go, this is Democracy. the People choose the Government they will, and in a short time, (4-5 years) they vote again, (for a new one).

...so, would you be prepared to live in a State, where as described, there is a Federal Government, and as well, Constituencies with their Territorial Jurisdictions?

[Viewpoint]

who said the following "Democracy is like a sand dune that shifts it's shape and position with time to various directions based on where the wind is blowing from and how strong." shouldnt democracy be strong and perpetual, treating everyone equal and not constanly changing to suit specific citizens, this deifnition is very dangerous and unpredictable.

You are mixing metaphor used for describing how Democracy works in the west based on political will of the people who all have an effective say in how a country is run to something that does not exist in your understanding of what a Democracy is. Your understanding of Democracy is actually what communism is in theory, and even then, communist not based in practice.

You really need to take "Democracy 101 for Idiots" course if you plan to live as part of the EU.

Dont back track you look more stupid than ever, if the democracy you peddle is built on sand which changes everytime the wind blows with no sound foundations no one will buy it, you are just a con man selling faulty goods.

[Kikapu]

who said the following "Democracy is like a sand dune that shifts it's shape and position with time to various directions based on where the wind is blowing from and how strong." shouldnt democracy be strong and perpetual, treating everyone equal and not constanly changing to suit specific citizens, this deifnition is very dangerous and unpredictable.

You are mixing metaphor used for describing how Democracy works in the west based on political will of the people who all have an effective say in how a country is run to something that does not exist in your understanding of what a Democracy is. Your understanding of Democracy is actually what communism is in theory, and even then, communist not based in practice.

You really need to take "Democracy 101 for Idiots" course if you plan to live as part of the EU.

Dont back track you look more stupid than ever, if the democracy you peddle is built on sand which changes everytime the wind blows with no sound foundations no one will buy it, you are just a con man selling faulty goods.

No, the "trnc" is built on sand and not Democracy, so get it right.

I said Sand Dunes are like Democracy where it can shift it's position based on from which direction the wind is blowing and how hard.

Sand Dunes = Government
Shifting Sand Dunes = Change of Government
Direction of Wind = Political will of the people
Strength of the wind = Majority of the political will of the people


VP's version of "Democracy".

Communism and Dictatorship = No political will of the people

[Pyrpolizer]

See Pyro you have single handily explained to Maxi what a BBF is and he took to it, this is a person who was totally against it a few posts ago. Thats what I have been trying to explain on another thread the majority of GCs dont even know w what a BBF entails.

Let's see if i will ever manage to do the same with you dear VP, I mean make you understand what a BBF WITH THE RIGHT CONTENT is.
Last time I tried, you told me with absolute certainty that you beleive that both Denktash and Eroglu were working sincerely towards this target..
Also
a)Most of the times we come close to such a discussion you derail it with your standard cliche that goes along the lines "we better unite with Turkey than live as a minority together with the GCs" forgetting that even the BBF will account for the fact that you ARE a 1:5 minority.
b)You have not made a single comment to Bill's outline of BBF that I personally considered ideal. Should we translate it that you disagree with most of it