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Re: No more free health services to TCs of "trnc" in the RoC

Postby repulsewarrior » Fri Jan 11, 2013 4:25 am

Viewpoint wrote:Great posts Pyro, now can we have some comments by the GCs.


...yes vp, please say, "I love Cyprus, first".

...say, "I am proud of my Turkish Cypriot roots, but above all we are Human Beings and i'll fight for Universal Principals, first".

...although, my hope is that you agree that the equality of the Cypriot Constituencies is a strong basis for agreement, please make yourself clear, a strong Central Government is the only solution to secure this aim, (at least) three governing bodies is Bicommunal.

...and maybe now some of you may consider the manifesto which i propose, something worth your consideration.

@ bill, it would be a mistake to assume that the demographics of the island will remain a constant, the island after-all is the cross-road for three continents, and mobility now is a reality. it is possible at the Federal level of Government to use the distinctive identities of the Cypriot population as countervailing powers to assure the bias which has made Cyprus a Greek state ends, and although principally Greek at this moment, this population can enjoy the benefits of an identity as Individuals as well as their identity as Persons...
...to have a Cypriot State (bicommunally) (as well as a state) a Greek Constituency must exist, along with a Republic and a Turkish Constituency (at least). every Citizen in the Republic should have an identical vote, and Parties which may have been founded by either Turks or Greeks, to win the Leadership of this Government should have the obligation of meeting the challenge for a majority of seats, with a Greek Representative and a Turkish Representative for every voter to choose as Candidates, for their Electoral Riding, from separate slates, one of each; it is not complicated, split 50-50 in an Upper House...
...and why not a slate of independents for the Lower House, a third vote each voter makes, truly, Representatives for sober second thinking without any allegiance except to the riding itself, there will be Russians and Sri Lankans, Lebanese, and British, amongst this lot surely, leaders within these communities where their numbers warrant, they too will have a say, true minorities, having no Constituency as such, by consensus, a voice within the Political System.
...thus wherever you reside you vote, as a Cypriot, and by where you reside you are a voter in a National Assembly as well, Bizonally within a Territorial Jurisdiction, where their unique distinctions are sustained (and where as a Constituency the Goodwill to demonstrate a respect for the minorities amongst them).
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Re: No more free health services to TCs of "trnc" in the RoC

Postby Viewpoint » Fri Jan 11, 2013 8:27 am

bill cobbett wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:See Pyro you have single handily explained to Maxi what a BBF is and he took to it, this is a person who was totally against it a few posts ago. Thats what I have been trying to explain on another thread the majority of GCs dont even know w what a BBF entails.


Ooooh let's see if we can make a little bit more progress VP...

... explain to us how you interpret "political equality" please.


It is a political structure where neither state can undermine the EFFECTIVE say of the other. Where neither state can manipulate the system to pass racist laws eg healthcare to the detrement of certain citizens. Do you now understand why we need checks and balances to force both sides to conform?
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Re: No more free health services to TCs of "trnc" in the RoC

Postby Viewpoint » Fri Jan 11, 2013 8:29 am

repulsewarrior wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Great posts Pyro, now can we have some comments by the GCs.


...yes vp, please say, "I love Cyprus, first".

...say, "I am proud of my Turkish Cypriot roots, but above all we are Human Beings and i'll fight for Universal Principals, first".

...although, my hope is that you agree that the equality of the Cypriot Constituencies is a strong basis for agreement, please make yourself clear, a strong Central Government is the only solution to secure this aim, (at least) three governing bodies is Bicommunal.

...and maybe now some of you may consider the manifesto which i propose, something worth your consideration.

@ bill, it would be a mistake to assume that the demographics of the island will remain a constant, the island after-all is the cross-road for three continents, and mobility now is a reality. it is possible at the Federal level of Government to use the distinctive identities of the Cypriot population as countervailing powers to assure the bias which has made Cyprus a Greek state ends, and although principally Greek at this moment, this population can enjoy the benefits of an identity as Individuals as well as their identity as Persons...
...to have a Cypriot State (bicommunally) (as well as a state) a Greek Constituency must exist, along with a Republic and a Turkish Constituency (at least). every Citizen in the Republic should have an identical vote, and Parties which may have been founded by either Turks or Greeks, to win the Leadership of this Government should have the obligation of meeting the challenge for a majority of seats, with a Greek Representative and a Turkish Representative for every voter to choose as Candidates, for their Electoral Riding, from separate slates, one of each; it is not complicated, split 50-50 in an Upper House...
...and why not a slate of independents for the Lower House, a third vote each voter makes, truly, Representatives for sober second thinking without any allegiance except to the riding itself, there will be Russians and Sri Lankans, Lebanese, and British, amongst this lot surely, leaders within these communities where their numbers warrant, they too will have a say, true minorities, having no Constituency as such, by consensus, a voice within the Political System.
...thus wherever you reside you vote, as a Cypriot, and by where you reside you are a voter in a National Assembly as well, Bizonally within a Territorial Jurisdiction, where their unique distinctions are sustained (and where as a Constituency the Goodwill to demonstrate a respect for the minorities amongst them).


I love North Cyprus, is that OK respulse?
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Re: No more free health services to TCs of "trnc" in the RoC

Postby Maximus » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:14 am

bill cobbett wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:See Pyro you have single handily explained to Maxi what a BBF is and he took to it, this is a person who was totally against it a few posts ago. Thats what I have been trying to explain on another thread the majority of GCs dont even know w what a BBF entails.


Ooooh let's see if we can make a little bit more progress VP...

... explain to us how you interpret "political equality" please.



I am a few pages ahead of you VP, please catch up.
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Re: No more free health services to TCs of "trnc" in the RoC

Postby Viewpoint » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:16 am

Maximus wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:See Pyro you have single handily explained to Maxi what a BBF is and he took to it, this is a person who was totally against it a few posts ago. Thats what I have been trying to explain on another thread the majority of GCs dont even know w what a BBF entails.


Ooooh let's see if we can make a little bit more progress VP...

... explain to us how you interpret "political equality" please.



I am a few pages ahead of you VP, please catch up.


do you mean bill?
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Re: No more free health services to TCs of "trnc" in the RoC

Postby Maximus » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:26 am

VP, you are muddling things up. I have not been against a BBF and I have not been under the wrong illusion as to what a BBF is.

lets see if we can make some more progress please and not try to worm our way out things or continue to swim against the tide. Instead of loving just 'north Cyprus' : explain to us how you interpret "political equality" please.
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Re: No more free health services to TCs of "trnc" in the RoC

Postby Viewpoint » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:36 am

Viewpoint wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:See Pyro you have single handily explained to Maxi what a BBF is and he took to it, this is a person who was totally against it a few posts ago. Thats what I have been trying to explain on another thread the majority of GCs dont even know w what a BBF entails.


Ooooh let's see if we can make a little bit more progress VP...

... explain to us how you interpret "political equality" please.


It is a political structure where neither state can undermine the EFFECTIVE say of the other. Where neither state can manipulate the system to pass racist laws eg healthcare to the detrement of certain citizens. Do you now understand why we need checks and balances to force both sides to conform?


Obviously you did not read my earlier post.
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Re: No more free health services to TCs of "trnc" in the RoC

Postby Maximus » Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:36 am

its ambigous and in my opinion, you are skirting around the edges, do you agree with Bills rough outline of a BBF?
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Re: No more free health services to TCs of "trnc" in the RoC

Postby Kikapu » Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:54 am

Viewpoint wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:See Pyro you have single handily explained to Maxi what a BBF is and he took to it, this is a person who was totally against it a few posts ago. Thats what I have been trying to explain on another thread the majority of GCs dont even know w what a BBF entails.


Ooooh let's see if we can make a little bit more progress VP...

... explain to us how you interpret "political equality" please.


It is a political structure where neither state can undermine the EFFECTIVE say of the other. Where neither state can manipulate the system to pass racist laws eg healthcare to the detrement of certain citizens. Do you now understand why we need checks and balances to force both sides to conform?


But you don't want Checks & Balances in a Democratic way, or anything else in a Democratic way with Human Rights and International law for that matter or else you would not have voted for the AP. :wink:
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Re: No more free health services to TCs of "trnc" in the RoC

Postby Maximus » Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:56 am

Kikapu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:See Pyro you have single handily explained to Maxi what a BBF is and he took to it, this is a person who was totally against it a few posts ago. Thats what I have been trying to explain on another thread the majority of GCs dont even know w what a BBF entails.


Ooooh let's see if we can make a little bit more progress VP...

... explain to us how you interpret "political equality" please.


It is a political structure where neither state can undermine the EFFECTIVE say of the other. Where neither state can manipulate the system to pass racist laws eg healthcare to the detrement of certain citizens. Do you now understand why we need checks and balances to force both sides to conform?


But you don't want Checks & Balances in a Democratic way, or anything else in a Democratic way with Human Rights and International law for that matter or else you would not have voted for the AP. :wink:


Furthermore, every person in a democracy has an EFFECTIVE say.
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