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Re: No more free health services to TCs of "trnc" in the RoC

Postby Maximus » Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:11 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Maximus wrote:I take it that you agree with me though pyrpolizer?


No maximus I totally disagree with you. How on earth shall we go from today's situation to a minority/ethnic group status for the TCs?
Ok I get that,

For me it would be fine to have a BBF with the right content and I thought this was your demand also when you were saying you do not want conditions of apartheid. It is the confederation that causes conditions of apartheid not a Federation.

Right, a BBF with the right content. It is to my understanding that it will still be democratic at a federal level and not a a VP style 50% share 50% "political equality"

For a start such a BBF solution would be fine for me, in the long run it could even end up to a Unitary state.

maybe I started here, and in my haste. so a unitary state is the primary preference where in effect the TC's can run for president, can do anything a GC can but on merit. I dont say ethnic minority to carry any negative connotations. The whites in South Africa are still classed as an ethnic minority, the maronites and latin Cypriots are classed as the same, no?
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Perhaps you are younger than me but I know first hand we had problems with the maronites who for god sake they were only 1-2%. I can tell you first hand that there was a MASSIVE positive discrimination for the maronites to the degree that almost all of them got jobs in the Government or in the Bankser.

I must be much younger than you, I know nothing of this and probably never lived it..

For Christ sake even the stupid Turks finally realized they can't continue treating their Kurds as if they don't exist, haven't you heard they are negotiating with Ocalan in his prison to find a solution -most probably autonomy? :wink:

Yes, I am aware, no one is saying to treat them as if they dont exist, the TC's will get their level of autonomy and seats in government etc,. Their numbers are also dwindling so what is a realistic solution? they are a minority in the north too. We all know, VP and Lordo etc included, that Cypriots can live side by side. It has been witnessed in other countries where the conditions are right to cultivate it. This is why I get pissed sometimes when I read VP, Lordos and some of the other comments here, and I think that they just hate GC's and they have motives that will negatively discriminate against them in Cyprus. Then there is the impression I get from Eroglu and the puppet master in Ankara. Its not good. GC's have much more reason to be concerned in my opinion.




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Re: No more free health services to TCs of "trnc" in the RoC

Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:15 pm

bill cobbett wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:In a nutshell a BBF with the right content and political equality as defined by the UN IS THE POSITIVE DISCRIMINATION we now need. And we GCs should digest that it is TOTALLY AND OBJECTIVELY CORRECT. :!:


Well, am happy to throw a hat into the ring as well... so agreed, BUT it wasn't Anan.

There are a 1001 BBFs ... it's a question of finding the right one.

Here's a quick basis...

A zonal arrangement on an 18:82 territory split with 2 semi-autonomous regions under a strong central government
No Secession, No Taksim, No Enosis
President and Vice-Pres run on a cross zone joint ticket (as per USA) elected by simple majority
Lower House 50:50
Upper House 18:82
No Blocking powers
Compliant with UN resolutions.
Compliant with EU Primary standards.
Treaty of Guarantee torn up within 5 years of Settlement Day
Freedom of Movement guaranteed.
Equal and effective participation in government for all
Fully respecting everyone's Property Rights
Fully respecting everyone's Home Rights that have been acquired since 74.
CarpetBuggers are dumped on the GB High Commission for resettling off the Island.
Illegal Settlers relocated at Turkey's expense off the Island save those born on CY or married to CYs.
GB makes over Sovereignty of the BAs to the New Republic and negotiates a lease arrangement on a much reduced area.
Snake Island, made over to snakes


Perfect...
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Re: No more free health services to TCs of "trnc" in the RoC

Postby Maximus » Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:28 pm

I like that Bill.

what about Turkeys compensation payments to the Republic?
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Re: No more free health services to TCs of "trnc" in the RoC

Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:42 pm

Maximus wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:
Maximus wrote:I take it that you agree with me though pyrpolizer?


No maximus I totally disagree with you. How on earth shall we go from today's situation to a minority/ethnic group status for the TCs?
Ok I get that,

For me it would be fine to have a BBF with the right content and I thought this was your demand also when you were saying you do not want conditions of apartheid. It is the confederation that causes conditions of apartheid not a Federation.

Right, a BBF with the right content. It is to my understanding that it will still be democratic at a federal level and not a a VP style 50% share 50% "political equality"

For a start such a BBF solution would be fine for me, in the long run it could even end up to a Unitary state.

maybe I started here, and in my haste. so a unitary state is the primary preference where in effect the TC's can run for president, can do anything a GC can but on merit. I dont say ethnic minority to carry any negative connotations. The whites in South Africa are still classed as an ethnic minority, the maronites and latin Cypriots are classed as the same, no?
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Perhaps you are younger than me but I know first hand we had problems with the maronites who for god sake they were only 1-2%. I can tell you first hand that there was a MASSIVE positive discrimination for the maronites to the degree that almost all of them got jobs in the Government or in the Bankser.

I must be much younger than you, I know nothing of this and probably never lived it..

For Christ sake even the stupid Turks finally realized they can't continue treating their Kurds as if they don't exist, haven't you heard they are negotiating with Ocalan in his prison to find a solution -most probably autonomy? :wink:

Yes, I am aware, no one is saying to treat them as if they dont exist, the TC's will get their level of autonomy and seats in government etc,. Their numbers are also dwindling so what is a realistic solution? they are a minority in the north too. We all know, VP and Lordo etc included, that Cypriots can live side by side. It has been witnessed in other countries where the conditions are right to cultivate it. This is why I get pissed sometimes when I read VP, Lordos and some of the other comments here, and I think that they just hate GC's and they have motives that will negatively discriminate against them in Cyprus. Then there is the impression I get from Eroglu and the puppet master in Ankara. Its not good. GC's have much more reason to be concerned in my opinion.




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You sometimes have to read between the lines maximus and put yourself in the shoes of other people be it VP or lordo. This is mostly a bickering forum, and most of the times we irritate each other. It is from little phrases here and there that you will figure out who is who, and trust me the majority of Kibrislis that passed through this forum are just our "other self".

Of course there are others who just join to take out their hate....

The only comment that I would like to make to your comments is that the UN definition of political equality is not a 50-50 but an effective say.
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Re: No more free health services to TCs of "trnc" in the RoC

Postby Maximus » Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:53 pm

I knew and still know some excellent Turkish Cypriots.
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Re: No more free health services to TCs of "trnc" in the RoC

Postby bill cobbett » Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:07 pm

Maximus wrote:I like that Bill.

what about Turkeys compensation payments to the Republic?


Ooooh ... well... let's be realistic file... :D
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Re: No more free health services to TCs of "trnc" in the RoC

Postby bill cobbett » Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:10 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:In a nutshell a BBF with the right content and political equality as defined by the UN IS THE POSITIVE DISCRIMINATION we now need. And we GCs should digest that it is TOTALLY AND OBJECTIVELY CORRECT. :!:


Well, am happy to throw a hat into the ring as well... so agreed, BUT it wasn't Anan.

There are a 1001 BBFs ... it's a question of finding the right one.

Here's a quick basis...

A zonal arrangement on an 18:82 territory split with 2 semi-autonomous regions under a strong central government
No Secession, No Taksim, No Enosis
President and Vice-Pres run on a cross zone joint ticket (as per USA) elected by simple majority
Lower House 50:50
Upper House 18:82
No Blocking powers
Compliant with UN resolutions.
Compliant with EU Primary standards.
Treaty of Guarantee torn up within 5 years of Settlement Day
Freedom of Movement guaranteed.
Equal and effective participation in government for all
Fully respecting everyone's Property Rights
Fully respecting everyone's Home Rights that have been acquired since 74.
CarpetBuggers are dumped on the GB High Commission for resettling off the Island.
Illegal Settlers relocated at Turkey's expense off the Island save those born on CY or married to CYs.
GB makes over Sovereignty of the BAs to the New Republic and negotiates a lease arrangement on a much reduced area.
Snake Island, made over to snakes


Perfect...


Hissssss...!!!
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Re: No more free health services to TCs of "trnc" in the RoC

Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:12 pm

bill cobbett wrote:Hissssss...!!!


:lol: :lol:
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Re: No more free health services to TCs of "trnc" in the RoC

Postby Viewpoint » Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:10 am

See Pyro you have single handily explained to Maxi what a BBF is and he took to it, this is a person who was totally against it a few posts ago. Thats what I have been trying to explain on another thread the majority of GCs dont even know w what a BBF entails.
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Re: No more free health services to TCs of "trnc" in the RoC

Postby bill cobbett » Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:22 am

Viewpoint wrote:See Pyro you have single handily explained to Maxi what a BBF is and he took to it, this is a person who was totally against it a few posts ago. Thats what I have been trying to explain on another thread the majority of GCs dont even know w what a BBF entails.


Ooooh let's see if we can make a little bit more progress VP...

... explain to us how you interpret "political equality" please.
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