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[Kikapu]

your right bill bit the whole thing is a wind up and sometimes the reading winds me up something chronic. The solution is so simple, its completely fair but the whole charade just goes round and round in circles and nothing ever sinks in.

There are good TC's, that's for sure and maybe we will rejoice in the union of Cyprus together with them or maybe we will not.

And the solution that is so simple involves us TCs moving to Turkey well I got an even simpler one why dont you fuck off to Greece seeing you wanted to part of that country.

i think i got the simplest one: Why don't we all get fucked IN CYPRUS

But we have been since 1960 by Britain, Greece and Turkey!

[Viewpoint]

dig up the other threads Viewpoint or we can go round and round in circles with nothing sinking in like I mentioned earlier (I dont fancy that). Note Pyrpolizers comment above.

You want us either to become a minorıty amongest GCs or go live iN Turkey, well neither are acceptable...we are equal partners this is what you have great difficulty in understanding....why is it that the UN and both sides leaders have been committed to a BBF with political equality? this in itself acknowledges what I am saying thats why GCs will always reject it.

[Maximus]

Viewpoint, your definition of 'political equality' has been corrected in one of the other threads Bill C started a few weeks ago, where we clarified the BBF according to the UN's definition and not yours. A federal solution in Cyprus will be democratic in nature and since the TC's are fewer in number and in the absence of beurocracy or treating them as a special cases with inflated and false rights or an apartheid system like the 1960's, their position is as an ethnic minority.

I have stated also, that the Turkish armed forces must withdraw and adhere to the UN's resolutions and repatriate the settlers that she has transferred to the island to alter the countries demographics back within her internationally recognised border. some hardcore TC's or Turks like yourself do not like that, and naturally it is to be expected since you have your hopes pinned on a seperate state under Turkey, in contravention to international law and what else is morally and ethically correct.

[Viewpoint]

Viewpoint, your definition of 'political equality' has been corrected in one of the other threads Bill C started a few weeks ago, where we clarified the BBF according to the UN's definition and not yours. A federal solution in Cyprus will be democratic in nature and since the TC's are fewer in number and in the absence of beurocracy or treating them as a special cases with inflated and false rights or an apartheid system like the 1960's, their position is as an ethnic minority.

I have stated also, that the Turkish armed forces must withdraw and adhere to the UN's resolutions and repatriate the settlers that she has transferred to the island to alter the countries demographics back within her internationally recognised border. some hardcore TC's or Turks like yourself do not like that, and naturally it is to be expected since you have your hopes pinned on a seperate state under Turkey, in contravention to international law and what else is morally and ethically correct.

The second paragraph I do not have a problem with in a comprehensive solution but the equal states issue that will cause problems as you do not see the north state as an equal but as a subordinate of the south state.

[Maximus]

Thats not correct VP, the union of Cyprus under my vision (adherring to international law and the UN's definition of a BBF) will have two zones if you like, and they will both be regarded as equal territories because they belong to the republic of Cyprus. So, for instance a TC that lives and works in the GC zone will have equal treatment and rights as all others living in the same zone and vice versa for a GC living and working in the TC zone. The two zones cannot discriminate between any citizen or resident.

The only contrast between the two zones is that the GC;s will be responsible for implementing and enforcing federal law in one zone and the TC;s in the other because there will only ever be one state. the essence of zones does not really matter, the country will be one whole, for everyone.

[Viewpoint]

Thats not correct VP, the union of Cyprus under my vision (adherring to international law and the UN's definition of a BBF) will have two zones if you like, and they will both be regarded as equal territories because they belong to the republic of Cyprus. So, for instance a TC that lives and works in the GC zone will have equal treatment and rights as all others living in the same zone and vice versa for a GC living and working in the TC zone. The two zones cannot discriminate between any citizen or resident.

The only contrast between the two zones is that the GC;s will be responsible for implementing and enforcing federal law in one zone and the TC;s in the other because there will only ever be one state. the essence of zones does not really matter, the country will be one whole, for everyone.

The problem does not lie on the ground where each administration will administer their own states, the confusion is at the top and the balance that should not be allowed to be manipulated to the benefit of one state, this is the TCs biggest fear as Gcs are well known to renege on agreements in an attempt to take full control.

[Maximus]

The solution is not to import Turks so that the GC's become a minority in their own country instead, this is completely false and wrong in every form.

[Viewpoint]

The solution is not to import Turks so that the GC's become a minority in their own country instead, this is completely false and wrong in every form.

Look Maxi why are so hung up on this issue, if a solution is to be found then we are willing to play our role and take necessary measures to limit the influx of people into both states, not just our own. The real issue is power sharing and the checks and balances that will not allow the mistakes of the past.

[Maximus]

Democracy never prevailed in Cyprus. The mistakes of the past revolve around the root cause of this whole issue and that was and is the apartheid the TC's had. The GC's never had an apartheid, they never abused their power, they never invaded foreign lands and inflict their will on the native population, what they wanted was what was fair for everyone. If you dont want a repeat of the mistakes of the past then the TC's must stop trying to impose some apartheid and facist system of governance on GC's.

[Viewpoint]

Democracy never prevailed in Cyprus. The mistakes of the past revolve around the root cause of this whole issue and that was and is the apartheid the TC's had. The GC's never had an apartheid, they never abused their power, they never invaded foreign lands and inflict their will on the native population, what they wanted was what was fair for everyone. If you dont want a repeat of the mistakes of the past then the TC's must stop trying to impose some apartheid and facist system of governance on GC's.

So enosis was fair...you moron it is the root of all you problems yet you still cannot see it, taksim was in direct response to enosis a fight for survival against becoming part of Greece which for us meant a death sentence. If you believe in what you have said above then you are doomed to the current division and nothing more, you will never return to your lands. Time you broke out of your brainwashed mould and understood that we are 2 equal partners which if the 2 sides should every decide to unite they have to treat each other as equals one cannot dominate or rule the other, the mistakes you made in the past were to blame all and sundry but yourselves you seem to be making the same mistakes even today, this does not envoke any sense of trust and desire to unite with people such as yourselves.