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[Me Ed]

The RoC (and the rest of the world) does see the north as it's territory, and it does see the TCs as it's citizens.

However, and in-line with international norms, those citizens that do not fulfil their citizenship obligations are limited to what they are entitled to.

For example, did you know that a citizen residing in the UK that has not paid the minimum national insurance can limit any out-of-work benefits they might think they are entitled to if they are unemployed?

Also did you know, that British ex-pats are not entitled to automatic health care on the NHS?

Now I know that you guys constantly blur the lines between the rights of the individual and rights of the community, but you are now attempting to blur the line between a citizen and citizenship.

But as you can see, being a citizen does not automatically give you entitlement as proven with the out-of-work benefits given to citizens residing in the UK that have not fulfilled their citizenship obligations by paying the requisite national insurance.

Now how difficult a concept is that for you to grasp?

[Viewpoint]

All we ask is that if you claim that the island is a whole and all citizens living on this territory are equal you treat them the same if the TCs is going to pay then the GC should also pay, if the GCs has to pay a minimum to the state to benefit from free healthcare then the same option should be available to TCs by producing documentation that there income is below the poverty line. You cannot discriminate against the citizens you claim to represent because they have lived in the north part of the island all their lives and before 1974. Its not that difficult to understand but either way it will benefit the TCs.

[Kikapu]

In a True Democracy the laws do not just benefit one ethnic group over another, it is applied equally to all citizens. Only in places where Democracy is used only in name where such shenanigans takes place in the name of Democracy, places like in Turkey and the north.

In any case, in a Federal Cyprus, each state will handle their own matters, which the north will be mostly handled by the TCs, so what are you complaining about?

Come on Kikapooo lets stop going around in circles, we have proven that what you peddle as true democracy is built on nothing more than just sand slipping changing with loopholes that will allow the majority the right to pass laws that will discriminate on whether they live in the north south are Turkish or Greek in origin wear black socks, in fact anyone they wish to target. Stop trying to trick people they can see right through your real aim to gift the whole island to the GCs.

So, according to you, True Democratic countries in the EU and the West treat their minority citizens as slaves and as 2nd class citizens, right?

Don't be ridiculous. You can't be that stupid. Then again!

Funny how you welcome an apartheid systems where the minority does treat the majority as 2nd class citizens.

You are not qualified to discuss anything about True Democracy, Human Rights or International Law, specially when you enjoy benefiting from "Spoils of War" in Cyprus.

you are beyond belief where did you get the idea that tcs are minorities. you must be joking. founding nations can never be minorities. this stupidity wil lead to two states never mind federation or confederation. have you learnt nothing from the past 50 years. tcs have never been and have never and will never accept a minority status.

You are getting more stupid by the day, Lordo.

Where did I mention TCs at all in my post, let alone TC as minorities. It was VP who stated that "will allow the majority the right to pass laws that will discriminate on whether they live in the north south are Turkish or Greek in origin wear black socks, in fact anyone they wish to target". VP was referring discrimination against minorities, was it not, whom ever they may be!

[Me Ed]

All we ask is that if you claim that the island is a whole and all citizens living on this territory are equal you treat them the same if the TCs is going to pay then the GC should also pay, if the GCs has to pay a minimum to the state to benefit from free healthcare then the same option should be available to TCs by producing documentation that there income is below the poverty line. You cannot discriminate against the citizens you claim to represent because they have lived in the north part of the island all their lives and before 1974. Its not that difficult to understand but either way it will benefit the TCs.

VP,

a citizen living in the government controlled areas on a low income still pays taxes and national insurance to the government and has therefore contributed to their citizenship and get the benefits and entitlements that brings with it.

A citizen outside of the government controlled areas, whether in the occupied areas or overseas have not contributed to their citizenship and therefore their benefits are limited.

You can attempt to polarise the argument by referring to citizens as TCs and GC, but in reality the argument is all about those that have contributed and those that have not irrespective of their ethnicity or where they happen to live.

Now if the hospitals in the occupied areas are not up to it, and if you and Lordo really care about this issue, perhaps you can do something to help fund the health care of Cypriots who are seeking medical assistance in the free areas.

[Lordo]

In a True Democracy the laws do not just benefit one ethnic group over another, it is applied equally to all citizens. Only in places where Democracy is used only in name where such shenanigans takes place in the name of Democracy, places like in Turkey and the north.

In any case, in a Federal Cyprus, each state will handle their own matters, which the north will be mostly handled by the TCs, so what are you complaining about?

Come on Kikapooo lets stop going around in circles, we have proven that what you peddle as true democracy is built on nothing more than just sand slipping changing with loopholes that will allow the majority the right to pass laws that will discriminate on whether they live in the north south are Turkish or Greek in origin wear black socks, in fact anyone they wish to target. Stop trying to trick people they can see right through your real aim to gift the whole island to the GCs.

So, according to you, True Democratic countries in the EU and the West treat their minority citizens as slaves and as 2nd class citizens, right?

Don't be ridiculous. You can't be that stupid. Then again!

Funny how you welcome an apartheid systems where the minority does treat the majority as 2nd class citizens.

You are not qualified to discuss anything about True Democracy, Human Rights or International Law, specially when you enjoy benefiting from "Spoils of War" in Cyprus.

you are beyond belief where did you get the idea that tcs are minorities. you must be joking. founding nations can never be minorities. this stupidity wil lead to two states never mind federation or confederation. have you learnt nothing from the past 50 years. tcs have never been and have never and will never accept a minority status.

You are getting more stupid by the day, Lordo.

Where did I mention TCs at all in my post, let alone TC as minorities. It was VP who stated that "will allow the majority the right to pass laws that will discriminate on whether they live in the north south are Turkish or Greek in origin wear black socks, in fact anyone they wish to target". VP was referring discrimination against minorities, was it not, whom ever they may be!

i do not believe you are understanding what you are typing. this is what you posted.

Funny how you welcome an apartheid systems where the minority does treat the majority as 2nd class citizens.

what exactly are you saying here. explain it.
who are the minority you are referring to. you are such an ass. its beyond belief.

[Lordo]

All we ask is that if you claim that the island is a whole and all citizens living on this territory are equal you treat them the same if the TCs is going to pay then the GC should also pay, if the GCs has to pay a minimum to the state to benefit from free healthcare then the same option should be available to TCs by producing documentation that there income is below the poverty line. You cannot discriminate against the citizens you claim to represent because they have lived in the north part of the island all their lives and before 1974. Its not that difficult to understand but either way it will benefit the TCs.

VP,

a citizen living in the government controlled areas on a low income still pays taxes and national insurance to the government and has therefore contributed to their citizenship and get the benefits and entitlements that brings with it.

A citizen outside of the government controlled areas, whether in the occupied areas or overseas have not contributed to their citizenship and therefore their benefits are limited.

You can attempt to polarise the argument by referring to citizens as TCs and GC, but in reality the argument is all about those that have contributed and those that have not irrespective of their ethnicity or where they happen to live.

Now if the hospitals in the occupied areas are not up to it, and if you and Lordo really care about this issue, perhaps you can do something to help fund the health care of Cypriots who are seeking medical assistance in the free areas.

really the tcs do not pay taxes. interesting perhaps you can read the constitution about payment of taxes and where it should be paid. and whilst you are at it you can find the clause where it stipulates which hospitals in the republic are only accessible by which citizens.

i was under the impression that human rights meant all hospitals were accessible by all citizens.

[Viewpoint]

You still dont get it do you its not the quality of hospital care we are debating here but the fact the the "RoC" is a racist administration that claims and benefits from the TC population but does not want to treat its citizens as equals. Do you think it right that a TC who has lived in the north all their lives gets penalized? either you take responsibility and apply the law equally or denounce that you no longer represent the TCs.

[Me Ed]

You still dont get it do you its not the quality of hospital care we are debating here but the fact the the "RoC" is a racist administration that claims and benefits from the TC population but does not want to treat its citizens as equals. Do you think it right that a TC who has lived in the north all their lives gets penalized? either you take responsibility and apply the law equally or denounce that you no longer represent the TCs.

It's got nothing to do with a person's ethnicity or where they live.

It's about citizenship and the social contract.

[Pyrpolizer]

Arent all citizens in the "RoC" within the borders it claims to represent the same? you cannot pick and choose its called discrimination.

The case with the Tcs is questionable, like Me ed said they have no social contract, on the other hand neither do the enclaved Gcs or Maronites.
For the moment there is absolutely no negative discrimination against the Tcs in fact what currently exists is a possitive discrimination in their favor.

So your problem is?

[Viewpoint]

You still dont get it do you its not the quality of hospital care we are debating here but the fact the the "RoC" is a racist administration that claims and benefits from the TC population but does not want to treat its citizens as equals. Do you think it right that a TC who has lived in the north all their lives gets penalized? either you take responsibility and apply the law equally or denounce that you no longer represent the TCs.

It's got nothing to do with a person's ethnicity or where they live.

It's about citizenship and the social contract.

Open your eyes the issue here discrimination if you cant see that then there is no hope in a united Cyprus. If its a social contract then the GC administration must treat all it citizens the same and accept documentation produced by the TCs.