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[Maximus]

yes VP, but that recognised GC state encompasses the whole island of Cyprus where the Greek Cypriots are the majority and have been for millenia, this is an inalianable fact.

[Viewpoint]

yes VP, but that recognised GC state encompasses the whole island of Cyprus where the Greek Cypriots are the majority and have been for millenia, this is an inalianable fact.

This does not give you the right to erase my rights, you have to accept me as your equal as I do you, I want you to have your own state under a federal unbrella, I want to share equally with you at the federal level, I want refugees to get closure, I want people to move and settel where ever they wish...why dont you want these?

[Maximus]

VP, I accept every law abiding and decent person as an equal human being. What i do not accept is a community comprising of 10-15% of the population demanding equal community rights with the remaining majority. What i do not accept are illegalities or the acceptace of illegalities to accommodate a few misguided people. This false sense of entitlement, this false sense of belonging in a foreign country, going back to colonial days, for all its intents and purposes is harmful and foreign to Cypriots and Cyprus. what you are championing is an apartheid and not a free, modern, democratic and progressive state. what you are asking for from the Greek Cypriots is equal community rights with Turkish settlers in their own country. This does not belong anywhere. In the grand scheme of things, the TC's, are a minority, this is another inaliebale and numerical fact and they have absolutelety no right to top themselves up with mainland turks to bolster their numbers and make anyone else live in servitude to them on stolen land. its just absurd and completely mental, laced with malicious intent.

I expect any TC leadership in a future cyprus to be legitimate and not to terrorize. I expect the UN resolutions to be implemented in full and everyone should have their property rights reinstated. Turkeys withdrawal from Cyprus should be unconditional, she must also pay compensation for her crimes in Cyprus as well as resettle her population back within her internationally recognised borders.

[Me Ed]

Well said Maximus and I would like to add that the TCs ripped up their social contract with the RoC when they partitioned the island 1974 and chose not be governed by the RoC. One could argue this even happened as far back as 1963.

Even an ex-pat isn't directly entitled to free medical treatment in the UK, even if they have paid into it in the past because they no longer have a social contract with the government of the UK.

[Maximus]

one can argue it happend from as far back as the 50's Mr Ed, Britain f8cked up in Cyprus on purpose. Every other newly formed state that was formed under their mandate did not have a Turkish problem and such an odd 'constitution'. The ottomans, scattered across their collapsing empire migrated and concentrated themselve back to their newly formed Turkish Republic. This is what should have happened to the ottomans in Cyprus. Instead, Cyprus got "Turkish Cypriots" and the "Cyprus problem".

[Viewpoint]

You have just both sealed your own fate once again and are the reason why Cyprus will remain divided forever ,you cannot blame the TCs as you have rejected once again their offer for equality under a BBF solution. You forget that your own constituiton gives us our rights and these rights you cannot take away however much you may squirm and want to, they will always be there staring you in the face. In light of your despot mindset we can only expect more of the same which on the face of it is fine with us when we consider our history and where we were in 1963, the TRNC will evolve with Turkey and you will be dealing with bankruptcy and trying to balance the books with the gas you have yet to benefit from, imho you GCs are in fact your own worse enemy. We will all die but the TRNC will surive thanks to GCs like yourselves.

[Me Ed]

VP,

I'll lay it out for simply you so you can see that there is no need to politicise this issue and that the RoC is following universal rules on this one and that there is no discrimination involved:

UK ex-pat represented by the UK with no social contract is entitled to a UK passport.
TC represented by the RoC with no social contract is entitled to a RoC passport.

UK ex-pat with no social contract with the UK is not entitled to free medical treatment in the UK.
TC with no social contract with the RoC is not entitled to free medical treatment in the RoC.

Also in parallel with the ex-pats, TCs have the right to re-establish their social contract with the RoC government.

Now I hope this clears this all up for you.

[Me Ed]

VP,

I'll lay it out for simply you so you can see that there is no need to politicise this issue and that the RoC is following universal rules on this one and that there is no discrimination involved:

UK ex-pat represented by the UK with no social contract is entitled to a UK passport.
TC represented by the RoC with no social contract is entitled to a RoC passport.

UK ex-pat with no social contract with the UK is not entitled to free medical treatment in the UK.
TC with no social contract with the RoC is not entitled to free medical treatment in the RoC.

Also in parallel with the ex-pats, TCs have the right to re-establish their social contract with the RoC government.

Now I hope this clears this all up for you.

Of course this also applies to GCs and other RoC citizens with no social contract with the RoC.

[Pyrpolizer]

So what we gather from your posts Pyro is that the "RoC" does not represent the TCs yet continues to reap the rewards of milking recognition which also belongs to the TCs. What you are stating in fact is a revelation of the truth that a GC administration cannot represent the TCs but they need to stop lieing to the world and own up to this fact, but we all know they cannot do this as recognition would automatically follow. If the "RoC" expose their hand by discrimination amongst her own citizens by removing the equal criteria for obtaining healthcare in the south will go a long way to reconfirming and strengthening the TCs claims that we are 2 separate peoples with 2 states and should be recognized as such.

You have to get your facts straight VP. I am not going to repeat the same things 100 times.

Which part of the above statement is not straight? the bottom line is that the TCs and the north are part of the "RoC" when it benefits the GCs, its ime to understand that you cannot force a marriage and that people can have a better life living separately.

Jesus VP, one has to write a whole book to straighten things up each and every time he talks to you just to be able to continue writing one simple line.
OK I will try for the last time:

a)The Kibrislis hold RoC citizenship. They also hold pseudo-state citizenship which the RoC could easily declare a civilian offense/crime but because of the peculiar circumstances in the occupied she just turns a blind eye.
b)The Kibrislis don't live in the Government control areas, don't pay any taxes, no social insurance nothing, hence the RoC is not obliged to offer them any financial returns that derive from the rights of people who live in the Government controlled areas.
c)The majority of them hold illegal tittle deeds of Kypreoi's stolen properties, have sold stolen properties etc etc which the RoC could easily declare a criminal offense but once again because of the peculiar circumstances in the occupied she just turns a blind eye.
d)The Kibrislis living in the occupied support the illegal Turkish presence and occupation, support the illegal pseudostate by majority voting.
e)Again by majority voting they reject the RoC representation and handle all those rights to Turkey.

Hence my dear whatever free med care the RoC was providing to the Kibrislis living in the occupied until now, was just out of good will.It can cut it off anytime, and trust me absolutely nobody will complain, let aside sue the RoC.

In other words the Kibrislis living in the occupied are as much part of the RoC as those Cypriots who live in Australia.

[Viewpoint]

VP,

I'll lay it out for simply you so you can see that there is no need to politicise this issue and that the RoC is following universal rules on this one and that there is no discrimination involved:

UK ex-pat represented by the UK with no social contract is entitled to a UK passport.
TC represented by the RoC with no social contract is entitled to a RoC passport.

UK ex-pat with no social contract with the UK is not entitled to free medical treatment in the UK.
TC with no social contract with the RoC is not entitled to free medical treatment in the RoC.

Also in parallel with the ex-pats, TCs have the right to re-establish their social contract with the RoC government.

Now I hope this clears this all up for you.

You forgot the most important thing Tcs are not expats they do not live aborad according to GC claims, they reside in a counttry which the "RoC" claims to represent 100%, this cannot only be in cases where it suits or benefits purely the GCs and the EU will see through this as soon as the first legal case in brought against the "RoC".