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[Viewpoint]

End the illegal occupation, restore your compatriots human rights in full, give them the right to their property, restore and respect the sovereign integrity of the republic of Cyprus and adhere to the EU aquis and international law, pay into the system and contribute to the restoration of Cyprus, destroyed by the Turks and then talk.

Agree to a solution and we will.

[Pyrpolizer]

So what we gather from your posts Pyro is that the "RoC" does not represent the TCs yet continues to reap the rewards of milking recognition which also belongs to the TCs. What you are stating in fact is a revelation of the truth that a GC administration cannot represent the TCs but they need to stop lieing to the world and own up to this fact, but we all know they cannot do this as recognition would automatically follow. If the "RoC" expose their hand by discrimination amongst her own citizens by removing the equal criteria for obtaining healthcare in the south will go a long way to reconfirming and strengthening the TCs claims that we are 2 separate peoples with 2 states and should be recognized as such.

You have to get your facts straight VP. I am not going to repeat the same things 100 times.

[Kikapu]

So what we gather from your posts Pyro is that the "RoC" does not represent the TCs yet continues to reap the rewards of milking recognition which also belongs to the TCs. What you are stating in fact is a revelation of the truth that a GC administration cannot represent the TCs but they need to stop lieing to the world and own up to this fact, but we all know they cannot do this as recognition would automatically follow. If the "RoC" expose their hand by discrimination amongst her own citizens by removing the equal criteria for obtaining healthcare in the south will go a long way to reconfirming and strengthening the TCs claims that we are 2 separate peoples with 2 states and should be recognized as such.

You have to get your facts straight VP. I am not going to repeat the same things 100 times.

Oh yes you are!

[Viewpoint]

So what we gather from your posts Pyro is that the "RoC" does not represent the TCs yet continues to reap the rewards of milking recognition which also belongs to the TCs. What you are stating in fact is a revelation of the truth that a GC administration cannot represent the TCs but they need to stop lieing to the world and own up to this fact, but we all know they cannot do this as recognition would automatically follow. If the "RoC" expose their hand by discrimination amongst her own citizens by removing the equal criteria for obtaining healthcare in the south will go a long way to reconfirming and strengthening the TCs claims that we are 2 separate peoples with 2 states and should be recognized as such.

You have to get your facts straight VP. I am not going to repeat the same things 100 times.

Which part of the above statement is not straight? the bottom line is that the TCs and the north are part of the "RoC" when it benefits the GCs, its ime to understand that you cannot force a marriage and that people can have a better life living separately.

[Maximus]

So what we gather from your posts Pyro is that the "RoC" does not represent the TCs yet continues to reap the rewards of milking recognition which also belongs to the TCs. What you are stating in fact is a revelation of the truth that a GC administration cannot represent the TCs but they need to stop lieing to the world and own up to this fact, but we all know they cannot do this as recognition would automatically follow. If the "RoC" expose their hand by discrimination amongst her own citizens by removing the equal criteria for obtaining healthcare in the south will go a long way to reconfirming and strengthening the TCs claims that we are 2 separate peoples with 2 states and should be recognized as such.

You have to get your facts straight VP. I am not going to repeat the same things 100 times.

Which part of the above statement is not straight? the bottom line is that the TCs and the north are part of the "RoC" when it benefits the GCs, its ime to understand that you cannot force a marriage and that people can have a better life living separately.

thats fine VP and although the people can and it may probably be better that the two live seperately, the TC's are not a different, sovereign people to demand another country outside of the republic of Turkey. The RoC still wants its property back, the occupation is still illegal, Turkey still has to withdraw from the island. I dont think the RoC is too bothered if the 70,000 TC's still living in the North choose to take a safe passage back to Turkey along with the other Turkish settlers.

[Viewpoint]

So what we gather from your posts Pyro is that the "RoC" does not represent the TCs yet continues to reap the rewards of milking recognition which also belongs to the TCs. What you are stating in fact is a revelation of the truth that a GC administration cannot represent the TCs but they need to stop lieing to the world and own up to this fact, but we all know they cannot do this as recognition would automatically follow. If the "RoC" expose their hand by discrimination amongst her own citizens by removing the equal criteria for obtaining healthcare in the south will go a long way to reconfirming and strengthening the TCs claims that we are 2 separate peoples with 2 states and should be recognized as such.

You have to get your facts straight VP. I am not going to repeat the same things 100 times.

Which part of the above statement is not straight? the bottom line is that the TCs and the north are part of the "RoC" when it benefits the GCs, its ime to understand that you cannot force a marriage and that people can have a better life living separately.

thats fine VP and although the people can and it may probably be better that the two live seperately, the TC's are not a different, sovereign people to demand another country outside of the republic of Turkey. The RoC still wants its property back, the occupation is still illegal, Turkey still has to withdraw from the island. I dont think the RoC is too bothered if the 70,000 TC's still living in the North choose to take a safe passage back to Turkey along with the other Turkish settlers.

You can wait all you wish and we can remain unrecognized it doesnt change the fact that the TRNC is here to stay, you better get used to it because the current mindset on both sides of the divide supports it continuation. The only way to even get a snif at union is to act in accordance with a BBF partnership with political equality of the two sides. For all your rantings and ravings changing of laws against TCs, embargoes and even the big one joining th EU has gotten you no closer to getting back the north, in fact quite the opposite it has brought us closer to Turkey and alienated us from the GCs and their well manipulative dominant despot appraoch to taking control of the whole island and forcing us into minority status.

[Maximus]

its all just noise VP, there will not be any union. we can agree here, its just we have different expectations of what the future will hold. The TC's never wanted anything to do with the RoC or the Greek Cypriots from day one. I see them as a seperate people for sure, they are decendents of Ottomans and their rightful place is alongside their Turkish brothers in the republic of Turkey. It was the Brits who made up 'Turkish' and 'Greek' Cypriot and forced them to live together under a constitution which would have ensured bloodshed. Each side has since been stabbed in the back. It goes without saying though, those few TC's who identify more with the RoC and have legitimacy to stay in the RoC can, but under no circumstances will this happen under the historical or current ideology of apartheid and tyranny of the majority by being a proponent of illegalities and treasonous acts.

[Viewpoint]

its all just noise VP, there will not be any union. we can agree here, its just we have different expectations of what the future will hold. The TC's never wanted anything to do with the RoC or the Greek Cypriots from day one. I see them as a seperate people for sure, they are decendents of Ottomans and their rightful place is alongside their Turkish brothers in the republic of Turkey. It was the Brits who made up 'Turkish' and 'Greek' Cypriot and forced them to live together under a constitution which would have ensured bloodshed. Each side has since been stabbed in the back. It goes without saying though, those few TC's who identify more with the RoC and have legitimacy to stay in the RoC can, but under no circumstances will this happen under the historical or current ideology of apartheid and tyranny of the majority by being a proponent of illegalities and treasonous acts.

Maxi TCs made their choice in 1974, they also have an open door to move south tomorrow and live as a minority among GCs but they dont. The TRNC with Turkeys support is more than our wildest dreams when you consider the position TCs we forced into in 1963, you have to understand that TCs consider themselves as joint owners of this island and have always been willing to share whereas GCs have wanted to take the whole island to give to another country or for themselves with (as a minority) or without the TCs, we understand this clearly, rejection of the AP was just another confirmation that you do not view us as equal partners and that the current situation is far better than accepting minority rights in a GC state. Why is it that you do not want to share the island equally under a federal structure where people can choose to live under which every administration they want, I dont want to force you to live under TC admin but you want to force me, why?

[Maximus]

one of the issues is that I, along with the rest of the world do not recognise what you are saying, noone recognises your version of history. there is too much hypocrisy and falshood and a complete misunderstanding of definitons and law for me. its all just a fabrication of history and what is proper in todays civilized, modern and progressive world. Cyprus is having to deal with Turkishness here.

Honestly VP, I do not mean to insult or cause offence but listening to the Turkish side of the story is like trying to communicate and correct a person who has borderline personality disorder or dimensia with criminal tendancies. This is not an equal partner for a sane and law abiding person, bless.

what i do know though, is that Turks and Turkish cypriots who champion the ideology of the Turk-Rauf-Niet-Cyprus will find their peace if they completely remove themselves from the situation and go back to Turkey, to live as the majority in their legally recognised Turkish state. The same will be true for Cypriots and Cyprus. Each party will find their peace and then be able to look forward to more cooperative and mutually beneficial relations.

[Viewpoint]

one of the issues is that I, along with the rest of the world do not recognise what you are saying, noone recognises your version of history. there is too much hypocrisy and falshood and a complete misunderstanding of definitons and law for me. its all just a fabrication of history and what is proper in todays civilized, modern and progressive world. Cyprus is having to deal with Turkishness here.

Honestly VP, I do not mean to insult or cause offence but listening to the Turkish side of the story is like trying to communicate and correct a person who has borderline personality disorder or dimensia with criminal tendancies. This is not an equal partner for a sane and law abiding person, bless.

what i do know though, is that Turks and Turkish cypriots who champion the ideology of the Turk-Rauf-Niet-Cyprus will find their peace if they completely remove themselves from the situation and go back to Turkey, to live as the majority in their legally recognised Turkish state. The same will be true for Cypriots and Cyprus. Each party will find their peace and then be able to look forward to more cooperative and mutually beneficial relations.

The feeling is mutual and we view your side as being uncompromising, arrogant, despot, bloody minded and not really interested in find a solution as they have what they want a recognized GC state, why is it you have difficulty understanding that we are not going anywhere we belong here on this island and have just as much right to it as you do. Maybe if you understand this basic fact then you may progess to understanding that we are your equal partners, internationally recognized agreements which you have signed and try to renege on will not go away just because you no longer like them. We are fully aware you want to throw our rights out of the window therefore allowing you the freedom to control and dominate the whole island forcing us from partnership status to a minority in a GC state.

We want a 2 state Federal solution where each citizen has the right to settle in which ever state they choose, we do not believe in forcing one to live under the administration of the other as you do, we believe all refugees should get closure on the properties return where physical possible, compensation or alternative offers of TC properties in the south. We think all armies should depart and that new settlers less than eg 10 years should not be given citizenship of the New Cyprus....why are you so opposed to what we believe in?