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[Viewpoint]

I would not worry about it VP, its sounds as if the TC's healthcare and wellbeing is covered by Turkey.

there is just too much hypocrisy here, too many 'double faces' in from your side of the argument for me.

We are not the ones claiming to represent you, you are thus reeping all the rewards, just hink about who is applying double standards.

[Pyrpolizer]

If the EU is worth anything it will slap the GCs in the face and force them to provide the same healthcare options to all the citizens shes claims to represent without discrimating on residency. Whats so undemocratic about this?

If Turkey was worth anything it will slap the TCs in the face and force them to provide the same healthcare options to all the citizens shes claims to represent without discrimating on residency. Whats so undemocratic about this?

She does you moron.

But the EU aquis is suspended in the occupied areas, the EU does not recognise the institutions of the occupied regime. why should the EU slap the GCs in the face for not providing free healthcare to residence that are taxed and represented by Turkey?

Its like Bagis's latest calls to the EU. he is asking them to ignore supporting its member state, Cyprus, but instead, give the money Cyprus needs to Turkey. He is saying that if the GC's want any financial help they can apply through the occupied areas for a loan from Turkey. I mean, what kind of moron do you have to be to come up with this kind of sh*t?

Do you claim to represent all citizens of the "RoC"? if you dont just say it, you cannot discriminate between those living in the north and south. TCs have lived in the north all their lives and they had no control over the events of 1974 why should they be discriminated against by the "RoC" if the "RoC" benefits off their backs for claiming to represent them.

The RoC does not claim it represents everyone who holds her citizenship unless he lives in the areas she has control of or unless he travels abroad holding her passport. I don't understand your diffuiculty to understand this. Surely there are Kibrislis in the occupied who lived there all their lives, but then again the RoC cannot represent them simply because she has no control in the occupied.
I told you before TURKEY represents them, the same way it does for the enclaved Kypreoi and Maronites. And it does this illegally and by force, everybody knows it is an occupying power.

[Maximus]

End the illegal occupation, restore your compatriots human rights in full, give them the right to their property, restore and respect the sovereign integrity of the republic of Cyprus and adhere to the EU aquis and international law, pay into the system and contribute to the restoration of Cyprus, destroyed by the Turks and then talk.

[Pyrpolizer]

Look at it from this angle then you may understand, how can you not represent people you give citizenship to? how can you claim to the the rightful government of the whole island take it the whole island and all its "citizens" into the EU then pass laws which discriminate against cizens that live in the north...you are on very thing ground and contradicting yourselves at every turn.

For the first one, we cannot /represent/speak on their behalf/authorized to act on their behalf/ of people who have Cypriot citizenship, however live in Australia.Same applies to those who live in the occupied.

The RoC is RECOGNIZED to be the only legal Government for 3 reasons a) Because RoC includes the Kibrislis and has a constitution and the Kibrislis have their seats waiting for them, a Vice president etc etc etc. The RoC is NOT a Greek Cypriot government. So it's upto you to claim and get what belongs to you in the RoC.
b)because the occupied is considered internationally an illegal entity based on ethnic cleansing discrimination and stealing.
c)because the occupied are controlled by Turkey, and Turkey has all responsibility for whatever happens there.

The fact is that the RoC can pass laws that exclude those who live outside her territorial control from certain benefits mostly financial), without that being considered a discrimination. And this of course includes those living in the occupied.

You may say that's unfair for some, but like it or not the Kibrislis pay collectively for their crime of accepting by majority the rule of Turkey in the occupied.Because by majority they authorized Turkey to act and speak on their behalf!

[Kikapu]

Pyro you are wrong Kikpooo is not a Kibrisli.

The 3rd generation British citizenship concerns I mentioned earlier does not apply to VP, since she was born in the UK. She is as English as they come!

[Kikapu]

I don't think that is entirely true.

I know someone who is a TC living in the north and is also British citizen. She came to London to have her child there, but was asked to pay £3,500 pounds towards the cost, and when she said, "but last time you did not charge me anything", she was then told "OK, that would now cost you £7,000 pounds". She was literally on the next flight back to the north before the date she could not fly due to her pregnancy. Can you explain this to me?

Yes, just the story of another TC parasite trying to suck from another payer, until she was told to FO. Then she went back to you shit hole to have the little brat. Whats new, thanks for confirming the parasitic nature of your people.

You insult even Kikapu
"YOUR" shithole???? Since when?
A little "brat"? The Kibrislis are "brat"????
If I were a Kibrisli I wouldn't participate to this forum with so many direct and personal insults against me...

Actually Pyro, this person did not go to the UK to save money since she could have had her baby in the north for free. It had more to do with giving the child "born in the UK status" that would secure the new baby's future children's rights to remain British, should the new baby marry anyone who is not British. It has to do with the maximum 3rd generation status for those who has gotten their British citizenship through naturalisation. I can explain more if anyone is interested.

But that's not the issue Kikapu.
Surely we all know that such parasitic behavior on the expense of the British Public is common to all Cypriots who 've been in the UK.The issue is that B25 just assigns this attribute to the Kibrislis ONLY!
Then he calls the occupied YOUR, YOUR OWN shithole, just because you are a Kibrisli, whereas we all know you have nothing to do with that place.That's a direct personal insult against you by my standards...
Then he calls a Kibrisli baby a "brat"!!

Pyro, I don't believe B25 was addressing me. He was addressing VP. He just used the wrong quotation, otherwise I would have taken him to task myself!

[Pyrpolizer]

Pyro, I don't believe B25 was addressing me. He was addressing VP. He just used the wrong quotation, otherwise I would have taken him to task myself!

Well, he quoted your post, but maybe it was meant for VP as you said. In any case it was a post with no arguments, just name calling, and offensive, even if it was addressed to VP.

[Kikapu]

Pyro, I don't believe B25 was addressing me. He was addressing VP. He just used the wrong quotation, otherwise I would have taken him to task myself!

Well, he quoted your post, but maybe it was meant for VP as you said. In any case it was a post with no arguments, just name calling, and offensive, even if it was addressed to VP.

That part is true.

You should really get a "thank you" from VP, for you pointing out such posts.

[Pyrpolizer]

Pyro, I don't believe B25 was addressing me. He was addressing VP. He just used the wrong quotation, otherwise I would have taken him to task myself!

Well, he quoted your post, but maybe it was meant for VP as you said. In any case it was a post with no arguments, just name calling, and offensive, even if it was addressed to VP.

That part is true.

You should really get a "thank you" from VP, for you pointing out such posts.

VP knows how to fight, one or two sentimental posts that hit directly on the nerves, are enough to knock out everybody in here
I think that's what happened to B25

[Viewpoint]

So what we gather from your posts Pyro is that the "RoC" does not represent the TCs yet continues to reap the rewards of milking recognition which also belongs to the TCs. What you are stating in fact is a revelation of the truth that a GC administration cannot represent the TCs but they need to stop lieing to the world and own up to this fact, but we all know they cannot do this as recognition would automatically follow. If the "RoC" expose their hand by discrimination amongst her own citizens by removing the equal criteria for obtaining healthcare in the south will go a long way to reconfirming and strengthening the TCs claims that we are 2 separate peoples with 2 states and should be recognized as such.