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[Pyrpolizer]

Now I know you have lost the plot all together, if the "RoC" claims to represent all here citizens and reeps the benefits then she is forced to treat them equally no matter where they reside, basically this is what I am objecting to. If certain criteria are put in place and all citizens beloew the poverty line will pay then the TCs will pay as well but if the "RoC" is going to discriminate on location then she will also have to face the music of laws suits against her. You cannot have your cake and eat it to, renounce that you represent the TCs and do as you wish but you cannot have it both ways.

VP you said that many times and I think is about time we clarify this issue. Does the RoC claim to represent the Kibrislis living in the occupied? How? Where? Give us an example. As far as I know the RoC is exempted from any obligations or whatever from the areas she has no control of, so imo while the Kibrislis living in the occupied do have citizenship, are not really represented by RoC except for the times they are in the free areas or traveling abroad using her passports.

Representation is a 2 way road, the state represents a citizen or group of citizens collectively, and in return they support the state by paying taxes. In my opinion the Kibrislis living in the occupied are actually represented by Turkey while at the same time they are RoC citizens. Same applies with the enclaved Kypreoi living in Karpasia, same with the Maronites living in Kormakiti.

Now suppose they do pass that law which says "to be eligible for free health care at Government hospitals you should of had paid social insurance in the past 3 years" and they exempt from that the Kypreoi and Maronites who live in the occupied then SURELY that would be discrimination Vs the Kibrislis and they would be in trouble.

About your saying "let them renounce they represent us" well we all know that was what Denktash was shouting all day. "You don't represent us, we have our own state etc etc." On the other hand he was so stupid that he advised his own grandson to go get an RoC passport
Anyway don't expect the RoC to renounce the Kibrislis who live in the occupied from her citizenship. Neither them nor their heirs.
But If you really want the RoC to say she does not represent you, here I say it loud and clear on her behalf. AS LONG AS YOU LIVE IN THE OCCUPIED,AND AS LONG AS YOU ARE NOT BACK IN THE RoC POLITICAL SYSTEM THE RoC DOES NOT REPRESENT YOU. TURKEY DOES!

[Maximus]

If the EU is worth anything it will slap the GCs in the face and force them to provide the same healthcare options to all the citizens shes claims to represent without discrimating on residency. Whats so undemocratic about this?

If Turkey was worth anything it will slap the TCs in the face and force them to provide the same healthcare options to all the citizens shes claims to represent without discrimating on residency. Whats so undemocratic about this?

She does you moron.

But the EU aquis is suspended in the occupied areas, the EU does not recognise the institutions of the occupied regime. why should the EU slap the GCs in the face for not providing free healthcare to residence that are taxed and represented by Turkey?

Its like Bagis's latest calls to the EU. he is asking them to ignore supporting its member state, Cyprus, but instead, give the money Cyprus needs to Turkey. He is saying that if the GC's want any financial help they can apply through the occupied areas for a loan from Turkey. I mean, what kind of moron do you have to be to come up with this kind of sh*t?

[Viewpoint]

If the EU is worth anything it will slap the GCs in the face and force them to provide the same healthcare options to all the citizens shes claims to represent without discrimating on residency. Whats so undemocratic about this?

If Turkey was worth anything it will slap the TCs in the face and force them to provide the same healthcare options to all the citizens shes claims to represent without discrimating on residency. Whats so undemocratic about this?

She does you moron.

But the EU aquis is suspended in the occupied areas, the EU does not recognise the institutions of the occupied regime. why should the EU slap the GCs in the face for not providing free healthcare to residence that are taxed and represented by Turkey?

Its like Bagis's latest calls to the EU. he is asking them to ignore supporting its member state, Cyprus, but instead, give the money Cyprus needs to Turkey. He is saying that if the GC's want any financial help they can apply through the occupied areas for a loan from Turkey. I mean, what kind of moron do you have to be to come up with this kind of sh*t?

Link?

[Maximus]

Bağış urges investors to avoid Cyprus for Turkey
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/bagis- ... sCatID=344

Bağış recently said Turkey would consider helping Greek Cyprus if they applied for help from Turkish Cyprus,

[Viewpoint]

If the EU is worth anything it will slap the GCs in the face and force them to provide the same healthcare options to all the citizens shes claims to represent without discrimating on residency. Whats so undemocratic about this?

If Turkey was worth anything it will slap the TCs in the face and force them to provide the same healthcare options to all the citizens shes claims to represent without discrimating on residency. Whats so undemocratic about this?

She does you moron.

But the EU aquis is suspended in the occupied areas, the EU does not recognise the institutions of the occupied regime. why should the EU slap the GCs in the face for not providing free healthcare to residence that are taxed and represented by Turkey?

Its like Bagis's latest calls to the EU. he is asking them to ignore supporting its member state, Cyprus, but instead, give the money Cyprus needs to Turkey. He is saying that if the GC's want any financial help they can apply through the occupied areas for a loan from Turkey. I mean, what kind of moron do you have to be to come up with this kind of sh*t?

Do you claim to represent all citizens of the "RoC"? if you dont just say it, you cannot discriminate between those living in the north and south. TCs have lived in the north all their lives and they had no control over the events of 1974 why should they be discriminated against by the "RoC" if the "RoC" benefits off their backs for claiming to represent them.

[Viewpoint]

Bağış urges investors to avoid Cyprus for Turkey
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/bagis- ... sCatID=344

Bağış recently said Turkey would consider helping Greek Cyprus if they applied for help from Turkish Cyprus,

Can you read and understand the English Language?

[Viewpoint]

Now I know you have lost the plot all together, if the "RoC" claims to represent all here citizens and reeps the benefits then she is forced to treat them equally no matter where they reside, basically this is what I am objecting to. If certain criteria are put in place and all citizens beloew the poverty line will pay then the TCs will pay as well but if the "RoC" is going to discriminate on location then she will also have to face the music of laws suits against her. You cannot have your cake and eat it to, renounce that you represent the TCs and do as you wish but you cannot have it both ways.

VP you said that many times and I think is about time we clarify this issue. Does the RoC claim to represent the Kibrislis living in the occupied? How? Where? Give us an example. As far as I know the RoC is exempted from any obligations or whatever from the areas she has no control of, so imo while the Kibrislis living in the occupied do have citizenship, are not really represented by RoC except for the times they are in the free areas or traveling abroad using her passports.

Representation is a 2 way road, the state represents a citizen or group of citizens collectively, and in return they support the state by paying taxes. In my opinion the Kibrislis living in the occupied are actually represented by Turkey while at the same time they are RoC citizens. Same applies with the enclaved Kypreoi living in Karpasia, same with the Maronites living in Kormakiti.

Now suppose they do pass that law which says "to be eligible for free health care at Government hospitals you should of had paid social insurance in the past 3 years" and they exempt from that the Kypreoi and Maronites who live in the occupied then SURELY that would be discrimination Vs the Kibrislis and they would be in trouble.

About your saying "let them renounce they represent us" well we all know that was what Denktash was shouting all day. "You don't represent us, we have our own state etc etc." On the other hand he was so stupid that he advised his own grandson to go get an RoC passport
Anyway don't expect the RoC to renounce the Kibrislis who live in the occupied from her citizenship. Neither them nor their heirs.
But If you really want the RoC to say she does not represent you, here I say it loud and clear on her behalf. AS LONG AS YOU LIVE IN THE OCCUPIED,AND AS LONG AS YOU ARE NOT BACK IN THE RoC POLITICAL SYSTEM THE RoC DOES NOT REPRESENT YOU. TURKEY DOES!

Look at it from this angle then you may understand, how can you not represent people you give citizenship to? how can you claim to the the rightful government of the whole island take it the whole island and all its "citizens" into the EU then pass laws which discriminate against cizens that live in the north...you are on very thing ground and contradicting yourselves at every turn.

[Pyrpolizer]

I don't think that is entirely true.

I know someone who is a TC living in the north and is also British citizen. She came to London to have her child there, but was asked to pay £3,500 pounds towards the cost, and when she said, "but last time you did not charge me anything", she was then told "OK, that would now cost you £7,000 pounds". She was literally on the next flight back to the north before the date she could not fly due to her pregnancy. Can you explain this to me?

Yes, just the story of another TC parasite trying to suck from another payer, until she was told to FO. Then she went back to you shit hole to have the little brat. Whats new, thanks for confirming the parasitic nature of your people.

You insult even Kikapu
"YOUR" shithole???? Since when?
A little "brat"? The Kibrislis are "brat"????
If I were a Kibrisli I wouldn't participate to this forum with so many direct and personal insults against me...

Actually Pyro, this person did not go to the UK to save money since she could have had her baby in the north for free. It had more to do with giving the child "born in the UK status" that would secure the new baby's future children's rights to remain British, should the new baby marry anyone who is not British. It has to do with the maximum 3rd generation status for those who has gotten their British citizenship through naturalisation. I can explain more if anyone is interested.

But that's not the issue Kikapu.
Surely we all know that such parasitic behavior on the expense of the British Public is common to all Cypriots who 've been in the UK.The issue is that B25 just assigns this attribute to the Kibrislis ONLY!
Then he calls the occupied YOUR, YOUR OWN shithole, just because you are a Kibrisli, whereas we all know you have nothing to do with that place.That's a direct personal insult against you by my standards...
Then he calls a Kibrisli baby a "brat"!!

[Viewpoint]

Pyro you are wrong Kikpooo is not a Kibrisli.

[Maximus]

I would not worry about it VP, its sounds as if the TC's healthcare and wellbeing is covered by Turkey.

there is just too much hypocrisy here, too many 'double faces' in from your side of the argument for me.