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[Kikapu]

So the "RoC" will have to recognized the deals struck between the TCs and TRNC, what makes you think the TCs will not object or take the "RoC" to court for recognizing transactions struck with a state they do not recognized, the question to be asked is will the "RoC" recognize the TRNC agreements?

I don't think you have quite woken up yet and had your Turkish coffee.

Show me where I have mentioned the "trnc" at all.

The "trnc" does not exist, not even to Turkey. It's just a name without any meaning or substance.

The deal will be between the RoC and Turkey and the TCs will not have anything to say about it. Did the TCs not sign away their properties to Turkey in return for stolen GC properties in the north?

Is it not Turkey who controls the north and who are the ones that can solve the Cyprus problem, specially if they want to be in the EU?

[Viewpoint]

So the "RoC" will have to recognized the deals struck between the TCs and TRNC, what makes you think the TCs will not object or take the "RoC" to court for recognizing transactions struck with a state they do not recognized, the question to be asked is will the "RoC" recognize the TRNC agreements?

I don't think you have quite woken up yet and had your Turkish coffee.

Show me where I have mentioned the "trnc" at all.

The "trnc" does not exist, not even to Turkey. It's just a name without any meaning or substance.

The deal will be between the RoC and Turkey and the TCs will not have anything to say about it. Did the TCs not sign away their properties to Turkey in return for stolen GC properties in the north?

Is it not Turkey who controls the north and who are the ones that can solve the Cyprus problem, specially if they want to be in the EU?

Shows how little you really know the deals have been struck with TRNC authorities the documentation is based on TRNC not Turkey, will the "RoC" recognize these agreements? therefore the TRNC.

[Pyrpolizer]

Definitely Pyro, again your leaders tell you lies and paint us in a bad light to keep as I say stupid refugees like yourself thinking they want a solution by giving up what they have today and share recognition with the TCs.

Now you are moving the goal posts again. Initially you said they are feeding us with lies that we will return to before 1974 conditions.
If you have evidence for that, a speach or something then present it. I am telling you you are wrong.
Now you are saying that they are lying because they don't want to share power with you

If indeed our leaders are lying and we are indeed so stupid as you like to think, then why you smart ones don't prepare a complete solution plan and give to to us for voting?

What part of my post are you surprised at? why are saying I am changing the goal posts? maybe you were not well informed. You yourself admitted in previous that you were told that all refugees will return to their properties which you know is an outright lie.

If we prepared a plan with all your demands it would make difference as your leaders do not want a solution they do not want to share what they have the sole rights to, when will you open your eyes and see the reality before you?

At first you said our leaders are lying to us TODAY and we "stupid refugees" beleive them that we will go back to before 1974 conditions. I told you that was the expectation a FEW YEARS AFTER 1974, in the minds of Kypreoi but in the minds of the Kibrislis too. this was valid from 1974-1983 perhaps. And that was very natural and normal don't you think? NOT TODAY. So did you understand this first part? Of course you did!

You are correct and I still stand by what I said the majority of GCs believe they will get back the north everything will return to how it was pre 1974 we will knock down eg 10million dollar hotels so the land can be given back to its previous owner, your political and religious leaders still peddle the same crap, if your dead leader can take the stage and cry to influence people not to vote for the AP then fooling stupid GC refugees is far more easy.

I see. You somehow got the ability to speak on behalf of the majority of GCs.

Then all of a sudden you come back to me with new goal postsread above I am not going to repeat them -in short that our leaders are lying to us because they dont want to share power don't want a BBF just to cover their inability to comply with their promise (WHAT PROMISE LOL-TODAY THERE IS NO SUCH PROMISE) to return to before 1974 conditions

Not at all if you do not want to share something but want to fool an interested party eg refugees who is expecting something from forcing you to share all you have to do is lie that you want to share and blame the other side for not wanting to share eg not negotiating the AP was all a facade, open ended negotiations with no real commitment, no real offers of a solution enough to keep the lie alive and naive stupid refugees quite.

once again you set up "if statements" you assume they are true, and you go on drawing conclusions.You sound like a computer programmer who can't understand why his programs stuck.

Why are you playing dumb regarding my proposal to prepare a plan (this does not mean to include all our demands) just a plan which is fair in your own eyes and present it directly to us the stupid refugees , just publish it don't give it to our leaders, make a fuss out of it, put it on the internet for voting by addiing our name and ID to it, give it to the UN and ask them to organize a voting among us... Answer the question if you can. I bet you can't

Why should I spend my time and energy preparing a plan when I know it will be shot down by the GCs because their real aim is not to share what they have total control over. Why dont you refugees start to resolve your property issues yourselves you have this option we dont by flooding the IPC in the north that would force the hand of the GC liars who have advised you not to apply because they will always keep you in the dark, they know how to manipulate the current situation to your detriment.

Wouldn't it worth it, i mean it could give you a solution and solve all your problems. How could it be shot down by the GCs if it were presented directly to them bypassing their leaders?

As for your last question you must be really totally ignorant to ask such questions but anyway here are the answers
a)The properties the TCs left behind are only 1/5th area wise and only 1/20 value wise. So even if we share them equally among us we will never balance. Secondly we know very well that people who applied to the property commission in the occupied were desperately in need. It is true that about 60% of them have sold their properties, but you never asked at what price. It was about 1/5th of the real value. thank God we are not all at desperate position, you and Turkey wish we were but we are not.

[Pyrpolizer]

So the "RoC" will have to recognized the deals struck between the TCs and TRNC, what makes you think the TCs will not object or take the "RoC" to court for recognizing transactions struck with a state they do not recognized, the question to be asked is will the "RoC" recognize the TRNC agreements?

I don't think you have quite woken up yet and had your Turkish coffee.

Show me where I have mentioned the "trnc" at all.

The "trnc" does not exist, not even to Turkey. It's just a name without any meaning or substance.

The deal will be between the RoC and Turkey and the TCs will not have anything to say about it. Did the TCs not sign away their properties to Turkey in return for stolen GC properties in the north?

Is it not Turkey who controls the north and who are the ones that can solve the Cyprus problem, specially if they want to be in the EU?

Shows how little you really know the deals have been struck with TRNC authorities the documentation is based on TRNC not Turkey, will the "RoC" recognize these agreements? therefore the TRNC.

There is no "trnc" by RoC or international law. All there is is a subordinate to Turkey administration. So whatever actions of "trnc" are actions of Turkey.

[Pyrpolizer]

Could anyone post of copy of the application form the Kibrislis used to get so called "Esedger title deeds". As far as I know they could even get stolen GC property by collecting points from "heroic" actions too

[Viewpoint]

You have been effected by the official GC line which is to lie and fool you, do you know anyone personally who has gotten compensation from the IPC?

[Kikapu]

So the "RoC" will have to recognized the deals struck between the TCs and TRNC, what makes you think the TCs will not object or take the "RoC" to court for recognizing transactions struck with a state they do not recognized, the question to be asked is will the "RoC" recognize the TRNC agreements?

I don't think you have quite woken up yet and had your Turkish coffee.

Show me where I have mentioned the "trnc" at all.

The "trnc" does not exist, not even to Turkey. It's just a name without any meaning or substance.

The deal will be between the RoC and Turkey and the TCs will not have anything to say about it. Did the TCs not sign away their properties to Turkey in return for stolen GC properties in the north?

Is it not Turkey who controls the north and who are the ones that can solve the Cyprus problem, specially if they want to be in the EU?

Shows how little you really know the deals have been struck with TRNC authorities the documentation is based on TRNC not Turkey, will the "RoC" recognize these agreements? therefore the TRNC.

Who is running the IPC in the north and who is paying the money to buy the GC properties in the north and who is using the TC land in the south in exchange of GC land in the north?

It's not the "trnc", but TURKEY, because Turkey is the one who has gotten all the deeds on TC's land in the south by giving the TCs stolen GC land in the north.

"trnc" is an equivalent to a prostitute, because it's the pimp who runs the show and handles the money. The prostitute's job is to get fcuked, that's all.

Four years later, after applying to the Immoveable Property Commission (IPC) in the north, Tymvios reached an amicable settlement with Turkey, agreeing to exchange approximately 600 donums of land near Tymbou in the north for 27 donums of Turkish Cypriot land in Larnaca.

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/achilleas-de ... l/20120710

[Pyrpolizer]

You have been effected by the official GC line which is to lie and fool you, do you know anyone personally who has gotten compensation from the IPC?

LOL it has been published by the IPC! The IPC has it online on the Internet. Case by case. Result by result! Don't ask me to do all the menial job in this forum by finding information and serving it on the plate for everyone. I remember I have posted the links in THIS FORUM some years ago....

NB.All these from memory: 1200 applications up until (i don't remember exactly) about about 600 settled with compensation, about 200 full disagreements, about 200 pending examination,a few with partaial re-enstatement partial compensation, a few with getting back their properties after a solution, about 10 rejected because of no evidence, and ONE JUST ONE that of Mike Tumbios who exchanged his property with EVKAF proprty.

[Viewpoint]

So the "RoC" will have to recognized the deals struck between the TCs and TRNC, what makes you think the TCs will not object or take the "RoC" to court for recognizing transactions struck with a state they do not recognized, the question to be asked is will the "RoC" recognize the TRNC agreements?

I don't think you have quite woken up yet and had your Turkish coffee.

Show me where I have mentioned the "trnc" at all.

The "trnc" does not exist, not even to Turkey. It's just a name without any meaning or substance.

The deal will be between the RoC and Turkey and the TCs will not have anything to say about it. Did the TCs not sign away their properties to Turkey in return for stolen GC properties in the north?

Is it not Turkey who controls the north and who are the ones that can solve the Cyprus problem, specially if they want to be in the EU?

Shows how little you really know the deals have been struck with TRNC authorities the documentation is based on TRNC not Turkey, will the "RoC" recognize these agreements? therefore the TRNC.

Who is running the IPC in the north and who is paying the money to buy the GC properties in the north and who is using the TC land in the south in exchange of GC land in the north?

It's not the "trnc", but TURKEY, because Turkey is the one who has gotten all the deeds on TC's land in the south by giving the TCs stolen GC land in the north.

"trnc" is an equivalent to a prostitute, because it's the pimp who runs the show and handles the money. The prostitute's job is to get fcuked, that's all.

Four years later, after applying to the Immoveable Property Commission (IPC) in the north, Tymvios reached an amicable settlement with Turkey, agreeing to exchange approximately 600 donums of land near Tymbou in the north for 27 donums of Turkish Cypriot land in Larnaca.

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/achilleas-de ... l/20120710

Kikapoo your stupidity knows no bounds GCs who sell their property do it signing internationally bound documents should be with Turkey not the TRNC which when presented to you, you have to accept. But our exchange land procedure is purely on TRNC documents the deeds are TRNC deeds not Turkish. Rather blows your prostitution theory out of the water really, although your perverted viewpoint says a lot more about than you should be revealing on a public forum.

[Viewpoint]

You have been effected by the official GC line which is to lie and fool you, do you know anyone personally who has gotten compensation from the IPC?

LOL it has been published by the IPC! The IPC has it online on the Internet. Case by case. Result by result! Don't ask me to do all the menial job in this forum by finding information and serving it on the plate for everyone. I remember I have posted the links in THIS FORUM some years ago....

NB.All these from memory: 1200 applications up until (i don't remember exactly) about about 600 settled with compensation, about 200 full disagreements, about 200 pending examination,a few with partaial re-enstatement partial compensation, a few with getting back their properties after a solution, about 10 rejected because of no evidence, and ONE JUST ONE that of Mike Tumbios who exchanged his property with EVKAF proprty.

Why not break away from the GC lie and force Turkeys hand by applying to the IPC in thousands, try breaking the chain and helping yourselves?